22 Dec 06
Originally posted by darkbishop28It is also good if you are playing an impatient player. If you look in thier history and see that they are really agressive they may tend to try and rush your setup early. Since you castled very early and developed very compact the trades and lack of developement on your opponent's part can only be good.
In order to branch out the ol' opening repitoire, I recently got a book from the library about this opening.
It seems quite solid, and my first tests on playchess have been fairly promising, but the book is quite a few years old and I havent heard much about the KIA, so i was hoping to get some opinions on its validity/strength?
thanks
Becareful that you don't get too cramped. Make your key pawn pushes when you get the opportunity. I have accidently gotten my knight trapped a few times.
22 Dec 06
Originally posted by briancronHm, I might have to use this as a blitz backup, seems great for blitz - you can bust out the first 7-10 moves safely against basically anything, and you don't even need to know theory.
It is also good if you are playing an impatient player. If you look in thier history and see that they are really agressive they may tend to try and rush your setup early. Since you castled very early and developed very compact the trades and lack of developement on your opponent's part can only be good.
Becareful that you don't get too cramped. Make ...[text shortened]... pushes when you get the opportunity. I have accidently gotten my knight trapped a few times.
22 Dec 06
Originally posted by tonytiger41Yeah I think that's a pretty fair argument too.
yeah the KIA is a solid opening, but i think one will grow bored of playing it because there is no variety in the middlegame for white.
One thing to note is that Fischer used it A LOT in his very early years, but eventually switched over to the Ruy Lopez, which I tend to start playing more and more often over the next few months.
I just don't think it's a best first choice opening for a few reasons, it doesn't offer much variety, which is great for learning, it doesn't offer white any advantage (only equality), and it's just not as fun as the KG, or Ruy Lopez. 😛
22 Dec 06
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Originally posted by cmsMasterI agree... sort of
Yeah I think that's a pretty fair argument too.
One thing to note is that Fischer used it A LOT in his very early years, but eventually switched over to the Ruy Lopez, which I tend to start playing more and more often over the next few months.
I just don't think it's a best first choice opening for a few reasons, it doesn't offer much variety, which white any advantage (only equality), and it's just not as fun as the KG, or Ruy Lopez. 😛
I started playing this opening after I read "Winning Chess Openings" (someone mentioned that this is the recommended opening in the book in this thread)
It is a perfect opening for new players to learn to develope first, then attack. Plus it is a very strategic opening. Instead of looking only for tactics you look for weak squares, backward/isolated pawns etc.. and building up pressure.
By the time you are bored with this opening you are ready for wild chess again, I think.
22 Dec 06
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i'm the opposite, I went from the wilder King's Gambit to the KIA
when I first started with the KIA, I played it with 1. Nf3 and would set it up against anything. I only play 1. e4 now (that I've gotten the feel for the system) and use the KIA for stuff that isn't 1. ...d5 or 1. ...e5
though now i'm in a bind as to which opening to go with after 1. e4 e5. I still have the KG since it's the first thing I went with, but haven't used it at all in my last 2 tournaments.
right now i'm basically just test driving everything again, from the KG to the KIA, Giouco Piano (won with it in my last tourny), and Lopez Exchange (drew with it in my last tourny)
23 Dec 06
Originally posted by AlphaAlekhineI would agree (to a certain point) with you on the English, but not so sure about the KIA-- aka 'the imploder" -- Black can choose from a massive array of set ups and it seems White has to have a plan or improvise quickly to meet them (OTB play). The "KID with an extra tempo" doesn't seem to be the advantage that you would think it would be.
I play the KIA and English a lot as White. They allow white to dictate the opening, instead of the numerous responses to d4 & e4. Although I do still love the Ruy Lopez.
Instead of the KIA, why not just take up one of the QP openings without c4 (Colle, London, etc.)... they are somewhat passive, but can contain some sting if treated with apathy. Plus, they aren't as complex as the KIA, which could gain time on the clock.
23 Dec 06
Originally posted by Crushing Dayif I were to use the Colle and Reversed London System (aka Boring Opening, no seriously it is) then I'd might as well be a 1. d4 player.
I would agree (to a certain point) with you on the English, but not so sure about the KIA-- aka 'the imploder" -- Black can choose from a massive array of set ups and it seems White has to have a plan or improvise quickly to meet them (OTB play). The "KID with an extra tempo" doesn't seem to be the advantage that you would think it would be.
Instea ...[text shortened]... with apathy. Plus, they aren't as complex as the KIA, which could gain time on the clock.
as you play the KIA a bunch, you'll find that black's setups are generally always the same 3-4
23 Dec 06
Originally posted by YUG0slavYou should go down the gucio piano route but play the Evans Gambit
i'm the opposite, I went from the wilder King's Gambit to the KIA
when I first started with the KIA, I played it with 1. Nf3 and would set it up against anything. I only play 1. e4 now (that I've gotten the feel for the system) and use the KIA for stuff that isn't 1. ...d5 or 1. ...e5
though now i'm in a bind as to which opening to go with after 1. e ...[text shortened]... ano (won with it in my last tourny), and Lopez Exchange (drew with it in my last tourny)
I just joined ROTK's Evans Gambit clan so I could practice and learn this opening.
Clan 24684 [/shameless plug]
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As far as the benefits of the KIA over a d4 opening.
The reason this is a good system for a new player is that he is playing other new players most times.
The KIA allows white to develop and castle without worrying too much what black is up to... You could run into 1..., c5 or e5 against d4 and get distracted from your development.
23 Dec 06
Originally posted by briancronsorry, no Gambits for me, if I wanted that, I'd stick with the KG
You should go down the gucio piano route but play the Evans Gambit
I just joined ROTK's Evans Gambit clan so I could practice and learn this opening.
Clan 24684 [/shameless plug]
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As far as the benefits of the KIA over a d4 opening.
The reason this is a good system for a new player is that he is playing other new players ...[text shortened]... p to... You could run into 1..., c5 or e5 against d4 and get distracted from your development.
23 Dec 06
Originally posted by YUG0slavClan 24529
sorry, no Gambits for me, if I wanted that, I'd stick with the KG
That sounds good too!!!
Thanks for the segway so I could shamelessly plug my other clan!!!
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23 Dec 06
Originally posted by YUG0slavHey Yugo, if I might make a suggestion. The Ruy is great (especially when you have KG knowledge too!) but the Exchange isn't, imo, the best anti-mainline. In the few games I played I used the 8.a4 anti-Marshall and if they played mainline I used 9.d4. Give those variations a look, they're nice. Then again, if you like the Exchange you may find it's better for you than my suggestions.
i'm the opposite, I went from the wilder King's Gambit to the KIA
when I first started with the KIA, I played it with 1. Nf3 and would set it up against anything. I only play 1. e4 now (that I've gotten the feel for the system) and use the KIA for stuff that isn't 1. ...d5 or 1. ...e5
though now i'm in a bind as to which opening to go with after 1. e ...[text shortened]... ano (won with it in my last tourny), and Lopez Exchange (drew with it in my last tourny)