16 Dec 06
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Originally posted by lightfallsupIf the game is a win for you, win it. If you don't know how or if you cannot why should your opponent resign.
and yet no one has presented anything new than to say "it is not illegal, so therefor it is a kind of moral obligation". i played more than 5,000 games on gameknot and this situation did not occur once. it has occured multiple times here in only like 20 games.
i have said numerous times that i understand other postions, i just disagree with them. hess should be played, but seriously, that's just rediculous.
no need to say anymore.
If you can post here a winning series of moves and PM him the forced winning line for white you might be able to convince someone he should resign. But what moral obligation does he have to resign a game that you have not and possibly cannot win?
Edit: Is gameknot a checkers site. There are different rules for checkers and you won't come across that here. But in chess you have to checkmate your opponent and 3 fold repetition (at any stage in the game), 50 moves (without a pawn move or piece being taken) or perpetual check (giving rise to one of the 2 above situations) are all draws according to the laws of the game. If you do not want to play by those rules then you are not playing chess. Any chess players on any chess site will tell you this and play in the same way or are you claiming that after 40 years I don't know the rules.
16 Dec 06
Originally posted by lightfallsupperpetual checks are something you should be able to catch just as well as getting mated, losing your queen, rook, minor piece or pawns. it's an elementary part of chess, and its function is to make the game more complex. if you want a simpler game, try checkers.
as i said before, i don't expect everyone to play with the same standards as me. i just want to play against people who do is all.
or tic tac toe.
16 Dec 06
Originally posted by wormwoodOr Rock Paper Scissors. You can even play that on this site (in the Sports Forum). It rocks (and papers and scissors)!
perpetual checks are something you should be able to catch just as well as getting mated, losing your queen, rook, minor piece or pawns. it's an elementary part of chess, and its function is to make the game more complex. if you want a simpler game, try checkers.
or tic tac toe.
16 Dec 06
roshambo actually takes an enormaous amount of skill.
anyway, i never said i "had chess all figured out". i simply stated that there is a way i like the game to be played and naturally therefor like other players i am playing against to be played.
at any rate, my original post was in aim of doing two things: number one: stating my oppinion on this strategy and number two: asking if this is as common a strategy on this site as it seems because i can tell you from years of experience it is not common in other places (gameknot being substantially larger than rhp is only the best example).
but then, i conceded in post one that the move was legal and your reply posts still keep arguing that the play is allowed by the rules so clearly you are unable for whatever reason to understand what i'm saying.
either way, i play chess regularly against a wide range of opponents so finding players "playing by my rules" is easier than finding players who don't. except on this site. and again, that's okay. that is in fact, the answer to my original question. it would have been much simpler for everyone to just say "yes we play that way" rather than arguing in effect that the car was green which i had first described as green as if your point oppossed mine.
but then, you'll also notice that a great deal of your posts descend into personal attacks as opposed to concept disagreements which in and of itself is very telling.
then again, only a couple of you have had enough decency to acknowledge that everyone gets their own oppinion on how they want to play a game. it is a game, you know. and games are for fun.
to suggest i am not entitled to my oppinion because it is not the popular one on this site is silly.
16 Dec 06
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Originally posted by lightfallsupNo you are being silly. I have no intention of attacking you personnally but you do seem unable to find a winning method in this game.
roshambo actually takes an enormaous amount of skill.
anyway, i never said i "had chess all figured out". i simply stated that there is a way i like the game to be played and naturally therefor like other players i am playing against to be played.
at any rate, my original post was in aim of doing two things: number one: stating my oppinion on m not entitled to my oppinion because it is not the popular one on this site is silly.
What is unfair about your opponent going for a draw in an otherwise lost position? He had no moral obligation to resign if he can draw.
Will you resign my game against you when I play 1. e4? You should I'm rated 700 points higher than you! You have no chance so you presumably resign immediately.
Everywhere I have ever played chess people do that (go for draws when they cannot win) including gameknot!
16 Dec 06
Originally posted by lightfallsupI said that you are entitled to your opinion, you just won't find many people who agree with you. I'd still like to know whether you consider Kasparov and Kramnik not to be true chess enthusiasts.
to suggest i am not entitled to my oppinion because it is not the popular one on this site is silly.
16 Dec 06
Originally posted by Dragon Fireof course, you're arguing a point i never disagreed with: the legality of it. but i do have to quible about the mental approach to the game. you cannot honestly think every player everywhere has the same mental approach to the game, which is what i am discussing.
. [b]Any chess players on any chess site will tell you this and play in the same way or are you claiming that after 40 years I don't know the rules.[/b]
but maybe you do think every player everywhere in the world plays teh same way. it does seem kind of like you all think that to be true: that if it is the most common appraoch on this site then clearly it is the only approach any players anywhere use.
but then, as per your quote: every player does "play in the same way".
16 Dec 06
Originally posted by lightfallsupI don't think you will find any serious chessplayers who don't try to take full advantage of all the rules in order to win or, where this is not possible, to draw. You'll find more variety among chessplayers who just play for fun and don't care much about their rating or progress.
of course, you're arguing a point i never disagreed with: the legality of it. but i do have to quible about the mental approach to the game. you cannot honestly think every player everywhere has the same mental approach to the game, which is what i am discussing.
but maybe you do think every player everywhere in the world plays teh same way. it ...[text shortened]... rs anywhere use.
but then, as per your quote: every player does "play in the same way".
16 Dec 06
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Originally posted by lightfallsupAny "strong" player (say 1500+) will realise that this type of strategy / tactic exists and look out for the opporunately in an otherwise "lost" game. Weaker players may not realise it so don't play that way.
of course, you're arguing a point i never disagreed with: the legality of it. but i do have to quible about the mental approach to the game. you cannot honestly think every player everywhere has the same mental approach to the game, which is what i am discussing.
but maybe you do think every player everywhere in the world plays teh same way. it ...[text shortened]... rs anywhere use.
but then, as per your quote: every player does "play in the same way".
If you want to continue playing at that level then by all means do so but if you face opponents who are better than you and they obtain a draw by repetition or perpetual check just accept it and get over it. Any decent player will do this.
If you want to see a swindle against a lower rated player (where I fooled around a bit to much) just look at this one Game 2274208. Shed a tear or 2 then tell me was I morally obliged to resign?
16 Dec 06
Originally posted by lightfallsupI was 3 moves away from checkmate against a real S.O.B. on here, and he used a loophole in the rules to mate me in 2 moves. ðŸ˜
and yet no one has presented anything new than to say "it is not illegal, so therefor it is a kind of moral obligation". i played more than 5,000 games on gameknot and this situation did not occur once. it has occured multiple times here in only like 20 games.
i have said numerous times that i understand other postions, i just disagree with them. ...[text shortened]... hess should be played, but seriously, that's just rediculous.
no need to say anymore.
I'm with you, brother!
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