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Originally posted by gambit05
They could run the engine, while not on RHP and vice versa.
I did say it would make the whole process difficult, not impossible. Imagine switching between the two constantly for a large number of games.

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Originally posted by Kepler
I did say it would make the whole process difficult, not impossible. Imagine switching between the two constantly for a large number of games.
It is still much less time then a strong player usually needs to find a good move in a complex position.

I don't have a chess program, but I guess that one can get a given position of a game by pasting the FEN in. Right?

If so, it is just copy FEN, log out, open chess program, past FEN, program looks for move, log in at RHP, play suggested move. Sounds boring, but playing hundreds of games with engine moves is boring anyway.

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Originally posted by gambit05
It is still much less time then a strong player usually needs to find a good move in a complex position.

I don't have a chess program, but I guess that one can get a given position of a game by pasting the FEN in. Right?

If so, it is just copy FEN, log out, open chess program, past FEN, program looks for move, log in at RHP, play suggested move. Sounds boring, but playing hundreds of games with engine moves is boring anyway.
If the thing is set up correctly copy and paste would be disabled so the whole thing would have to be done manually.

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Originally posted by Kepler
If the thing is set up correctly copy and paste would be disabled so the whole thing would have to be done manually.
Then it might actually work.

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Originally posted by gambit05
Then it might actually work.
If it works for City & Guilds, who are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to assure cheating does not happen in their exams, I am sure it would work for online chess.

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My understanding is that it's trivial (and even recommended) for players to track their games using their own database system. I've been considering setting this up myself as I'm always forgetting what I meant to do next and could really use a better way to track possible variations than the RHP notes feature. If they use a system like that, you can't even make it inconvenient for an engine user.

I really don't think there's any way for RHP to really prevent cheating. The best they could do is set the technological bar a little higher, but that can't be the primary line of defense. In the end, you still need to look for cheaters and take appropriate action.

Mods...please let ET speak and get the real issue out in the open. What will it take to get some kind of decisive action? Address it, make a public call one way or the other and we can all move on...or out.

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The post that was quoted here has been removed
I don't know what was said, because some of the recent posts seem to have been removed by a forum mod.

Was cludi offering to rid the site of engine users?

If so, why did Russ remove him as a Game Mod?

Edit - My bad. I've now seen the original posts on the previous page. Although some of English Tal's posts seem to have been modded.

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Originally posted by MissOleum
I'd expect a lower-end rating limit - perhaps 1800 or above for both players. Since the majority of players on this site are well below this level, their opinions are better not canvassed. A "undecided" option would provide an out for anyone without a strong opinion.
My rating runs between 1400-1800 due to game load, and sandbaggers who have their rating around 1200 - 1300 and are actually 1500-1700 players....A look at their graph will tell you that easy enough.
I strongly disagree that you would have to be an 1800 + player to suspect if you are playing against an engine. If you think people's opinions are better not canvassed under the 1800 rating mark...You need to wake up and smell the roses !!!

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Originally posted by David Tebb
I don't know what was said, because some of the recent posts seem to have been removed by a forum mod.

Was cludi offering to rid the site of engine users?

If so, why did Russ remove him as a Game Mod?
The bit that English Tal quoted is exactly what cludi said. He agreed with you. In a later post he commented that he still checks games. Both posts are still there a page or two back.

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Originally posted by cludi
I can only answer for myself: I still do investigations and I report
to the site admins when I think I've spotted an engine user.
This is a bit like "helping police with their enquiries". 😉

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Originally posted by David Tebb
This is a bit like "helping police with their enquiries". 😉
I wonder if the game mods ever checked each other? Maybe they should have done if they didn't.

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Originally posted by Kepler
I wonder if the game mods ever checked each other? Maybe they should have done if they didn't.
Who were the game mods, apart from Cludi?

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