Scotch Game

This postion arises after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. Nb5?!

Try as I might, I can't refute this. Bxe3 fxe3 seems a good start, but later White plays something like Bc4 and 0-0 with a damning attack. What am I missing? Help appreciated.
Thanks,
curseknight
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That line gets discussed (briefly, though) here....

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=c45

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Originally posted by curseknight
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This postion arises after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. Nb5?!

Try as I might, I can't refute this. Bxe3 fxe3 seems a good start, but later White plays something like Bc4 and 0-0 with a damning attack. What am I missing? Help appreciated.
Thanks,
curseknight
🙂

Originally posted by adam warlock
6. ... Bxe3 7. fxe3 Qh4+ 8. g3 Qxe4 9. Nxc7+ Kf8 10. Nxa8 Qxh1
8. e2 {or Kd2} Kd8 and no more forking tricks {Or maybe 8. ... Qd8 but this like time wasted}

I'll challenge anyone to a set-piece Scotch at a reasonable level, it'd be good to learn a bit more about it. Any takers? Please?

From the starting position pictured above?

Originally posted by more guinness
From the starting position pictured above?

Originally posted by mjolnir
Visualising this, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Nxa8 Qxh1... 11. Qd6+ Ke8 12. Nc7+ Kd8 13. Qf8+ Kxc7 14. Qxg7- doesn't that win a rook for a knight?

after that queen h4 check. allow the fork. you will have an attack on whites rook as well if he goes through with it.

or you can just go back to d8 after the check not really wasted because you weakened his king side first.

Originally posted by onehandgann
after that queen h4 check. allow the fork. you will have an attack on whites rook as well if he goes through with it.

Originally posted by onehandgann
or you can just go back to d8 after the check not really wasted because you weakened his king side first.

I spotted something in the position after Nb5, by the way, Qxb2 fails after Nb1c3- double threat of Nxc7+ winning the rook, or Rb1 winning the queen (I think). Difficult line here!

Originally posted by mjolnir
I spotted something in the position after Nb5, by the way, Qxb2 fails after Nb1c3- double threat of Nxc7+ winning the rook, or Rb1 winning the queen (I think). Difficult line here!

Originally posted by adam warlock
I think that after 5. ... Qf6 white always get a very tangible advantage. So I won't be playing it in any of my games when I face the Scotch.

Edit. 4. ...Nf6 seems nice though.

Edit: On your line Bxc5 is even better for white though 😉