Skeeter & greenpawn vs world

Originally posted by Fat Lady
I thought there was a Weyerfritz vs Seadevil game which was 100% top 3 match for both sides over sixty odd moves?

Are you also a member of the analysis squad?

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Originally posted by no1marauder
GP asked for the games from the sample provided which had the highest % of matchups; that's what I gave him. As already stated, I did not reach my conclusion that she was an engine user based solely on those games but upon the cumulative evidence.

I will say that a 100% matchup in a game containing 55 non-database moves is pretty much unique among the games I have analyzed (and that's in the thousands).

Did you check ALL the databases?

Originally posted by RJHinds
When you do your percent checking for engine use. What moves do you
check? That is, it would be misleading to check all moves, since some
moves are considered forced and nobody in his right mind would pick
a different move. I suppose you would not include established opening
moves either. So how can you tell which moves are outside of the
mormal mov ...[text shortened]... e should see and those that may require
computer analysis and should be included for the study?

I'll ask the stupid questions, you've damaged your credibility enough already.

Originally posted by Phlabibit
Did you check ALL the databases?

All the ones I have access to. The ChessLive one seems the most extensive but I also subscribe to Chessgames and have access to their neat Opening Explorer.

I found 4 more database moves by each than SB/Z's analysis side in this game: Game 5742978

Originally posted by Phlabibit
I'll ask the stupid questions, you've damaged your credibility enough already.

He has no credibility.

Originally posted by nimzo5
He has no credibility.

Touché

Originally posted by Fat Lady
I thought there was a Weyerfritz vs Seadevil game which was 100% top 3 match for both sides over sixty odd moves?

This was quite incredible, really:

Fritz 11 @ 30 seconds per move
Pentium 4 2.93GHz 1GB RAM
Database used: www.chesslive.de

Game 3452196
[Event "Czech Tour 2006 (Expert Level)"]
[Site "http://www.playtheimmortalgame.com"]
[Date "2007.04.18"]
[EndDate "2007.05.14"]
[Round "2"]
[White "jh4"]
[Black "fischerov"]
[WhiteRating "2171"]
[BlackRating "2268"]
[WhiteELO "2171"]
[BlackELO "2268"]
[Result "0-1"]
[GameId "3452196"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Qxd4 a6 5. Be2 Nc6 6. Qd3 g6 7. O-O Bg7 8. Nc3
Bg4 9. Nd5 {Not in top 3; This takes the game out of book} e6 {1st choice} 10.
Nf4 {2nd choice} Nf6 {1st choice} 11. Rd1 {2nd choice} O-O {1st choice} 12. h3
{1st choice} Bxf3 {1st choice} 13. Bxf3 {1st choice} Qc8 {1st choice} 14. c3 {
1st choice} Rd8 {1st choice} 15. Be2 {1st choice} b5 {1st choice} 16. a4 {
1st choice} b4 {1st choice} 17. cxb4 {Not in top 3} Nxb4 {1st choice} 18. Qb1 {
1st choice} Qb7 {1st choice} 19. Bf3 {1st choice} Nc6 {1st choice} 20. g3 {
1st choice} Nd7 {1st choice} 21. Ra2 {Not in top 3} Nd4 {1st choice} 22. Bg2 {
2nd choice} g5 {1st choice} 23. Be3 {3rd choice} gxf4 {1st choice} 24. Bxd4 {
1st choice} fxg3 {1st choice} 25. Bxg7 {Not in top 3} gxf2+ {1st choice} 26.
Kxf2 {2nd choice} Kxg7 {1st choice} 27. Rxd6 {Not in top 3} Ne5 {1st choice}
28. Rxd8 {1st choice} Rxd8 {1st choice} 29. b3 {3rd choice} Qb6+ {1st choice}
30. Kf1 {1st choice} Rd3 {1st choice} 31. Qa1 {2nd choice} f6 {1st choice} 32.
Qe1 {1st choice} Qd4 {1st choice} 33. Ra1 {1st choice} Re3 {1st choice} 34. Qd1
{1st choice} Nd3 {1st choice} 35. Ra2 {1st choice} Re1+ {1st choice} 36. Qxe1 {
1st choice} Nxe1 {1st choice} 37. Kxe1 {1st choice} Qe3+ {1st choice} 38. Re2 {
1st choice} Qxb3 {1st choice} 0-1

Result:
White: jh4
Top 1 Match: 18/30 (60,0% )
Top 2 Match: 23/30 (76,6% )
Top 3 Match: 25/30 (83,3% )

Black: fischerov
Top 1 Match: 30/30 (100,0% )
Top 2 Match: 30/30 (100,0% )
Top 3 Match: 30/30 (100,0% )

Originally posted by Phlabibit
Did you check ALL the databases?

Having a few moves which are still in theory analysed doesn't damage the credibility of the batch for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, the sample size of analysed moves is usually 700+ (often more like 800 or 900) so a few ply here & there makes little difference to the over all %'s if the match rate is very high.
Second, just because a move is still just about in book, doesn't necessarily make it a top engine choice move, so analysing such moves can be useful.

Originally posted by Zygalski
Having a few moves which are still in theory analysed doesn't damage the credibility of the batch for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, the sample size of analysed moves is usually 700+ (often more like 800 or 900) so a few ply here & there makes little difference to the over all %'s if the match rate is very high.
Second, just because a move is still just ...[text shortened]... doesn't necessarily make it a top engine choice move, so analysing such moves can be useful.

ferreiraglenn's profile says "no engines please". Isn't it a safe assumption skeeter would have read this profile?

Originally posted by Zygalski

Black: fischerov
Top 1 Match: 30/30 (100,0% )
Top 2 Match: 30/30 (100,0% )
Top 3 Match: 30/30 (100,0% )[/b]

Player banned from site. Must have been a 3c because when I checked his public forum posts they were all so abusive they had been removed.

Originally posted by thaughbaer
Player banned from site. Must have been a 3c because when I checked his public forum posts they were all so abusive they had been removed.

very well observed, mr. holmes.