Lets not be silly here, the best way to blunt the french is through the exchange variation. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Bd3
This avoids any strength that the french may have had, now it is a matter of move order, if black doesn't play Bd3 and plays Nf3 instead, white can win with Bg4. It is slow and painful be assured, but white can win.
Therefore, if everyone plays the exchange variation against the french then eventually people will stop playing it because they will never win against you if you know how to win or draw in the exchange variation.
The point is not to win with white against the french, but to win as black against a french player. Make sence?
Here is a good link:
http://jimwestonchess.blogspot.com/2007/01/french-defense-exchange-variation.html
I'm not so sure. To begin with, this is pretty weak for White, treating the French as something so terrifying that he has to trade into an allegedly drawish middlegame which is actually anything but - all Black has to do is avoid symmetry and White has his work cut out.
Lastly, I can't help wondering about the idea of blunting the French - Winawer aside, the French is arguably already a blunt, cudgel-like opening, and anyone looking to shake FD players up is probably better advised to look at sharp, open lines like the Reti Gambit.
Originally posted by English TalAh, you beat me to the punch!
To blunt the French.
1. e4 e6
2. Qe2
Job done.
I like that line a lot - I'm not sure why either, it seems so anti-positional, but the idea is pretty clear with f4 O-O-O and a kingside attack.
Another variation that lovers of the exchange might try it 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.c4!? - similar to the Panov-Botvinnik.
Originally posted by Diet CokeIt's never a good idea to say that an opening is done after 2 moves. I've heard plenty of people say 3...d6 after I talk about the KG and expect me to go...oh man, that destroys all of white's chances!! I'm done!
If you wanted a move for white against the french that loses whites opening advantage in one move then Qe2 is refuted by c5 as it looks f'ing stupid now.
Or was a kingside fianchetto part of your master plan?
2...c5 may be tough, but it really doesn't seem to be something that I'm too worried about - and I can't recall seeing it in practical play.
Originally posted by cmsMasterYou obviously haven't played many practical players.
It's never a good idea to say that an opening is done after 2 moves. I've heard plenty of people say 3...d6 after I talk about the KG and expect me to go...oh man, that destroys all of white's chances!! I'm done!
2...c5 may be tough, but it really doesn't seem to be something that I'm too worried about - and I can't recall seeing it in practical play.
I just checked my database and guess what the most popular reply to Qe2 is?
Funnily enough e5 seems pretty successful too.
Originally posted by Diet CokeAt top level that's the most popular reply - at my level it isn't.
You obviously haven't played many practical players.
I just checked my database and guess what the most popular reply to Qe2 is?
Funnily enough e5 seems pretty successful too.
I looked up some lines, nothing too bad for white - one involves a pawn sac which seems to give an equal position.
[Event "Blitz:3'"]
[Site "ha"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Fritz 9"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "31"]
[TimeControl "180"]
{24MB, Book.ctg} 1. e4 e6 2. Qe2 c5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 g6 5. Bg2 Bg7
6. O-O d6 7. c3 Nge7 8. d4 (8. Rd1 e5 9. a3 O-O 10. b4 h6 11. Bb2 Qb6) (8. Na3
O-O 9. Rb1 a6 10. Nc2 b5 11. d4 cxd4 12. cxd4 Bb7) 8... cxd4 9. cxd4 Nxd4 10.
Nxd4 Bxd4 11. Bh6 Ng8 12. Be3 Bxe3 13. Qxe3 Qb6 14. Qxb6 axb6 15. Na3 Ke7 16.
Rfc1 *
I should also include NorthernLad's idea of 2...c5 3.b3!? followed by 4.Bb2 and 5.f4.
Originally posted by cmsMasterIsn't that what black aims to do?
At top level that's the most popular reply - at my level it isn't.
I looked up some lines, nothing too bad for white - one involves a pawn sac which seems to give an equal position.
[Event "Blitz:3'"]
[Site "ha"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Fritz 9"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "31"]
[TimeControl "180"]
{24MB, B ...[text shortened]... so include NorthernLad's idea of 2...c5 3.b3!? followed by 4.Bb2 and 5.f4.
Originally posted by Diet CokeGet an equal position? Yeah, but it's not so equal that black is comfortable, white carries some edge in those lines, IMO - I said the pawn sac gives about an equal position, I should probably rephrase with "equal chances."
Isn't that what black aims to do?
Those lines all look playable for white.
Besides - doesn't the Exchange supposedly give equality to black right away? It's still playable for a reason.
And I doubt too many French players are really well booked on 2.Qe2, I'd assume most know about as far as 2...c5.