01 Nov 07
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Originally posted by Dragon FireAh....5...b5 The Ulvestad Variation. White here should play 6.Bf1! when play can transpose into the Fritz varaition after 6.Bf1 Nd4.
You can also try 5. ... b5 as I did in Game 3485180 and Game 4030313.
It avoids the main lines and seems to give interesting play.
Edit: In case anyones wondering I gave the draw in the 2nd game as I wanted to give up the seige board. I think at the end I had enough of an advantage to probably win.
Good Choice DF 😉
01 Nov 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayerAgreed, but neither of my opponents played 6. Bf1 and it is likely that the majority will be reluctant to retreat the B.
Ah....5...b5 The Ulvestad Variation. White here should play 6.Bf1! when play can transpose into the Fritz varaition after 6.Bf1 Nd4.
Good Choice DF 😉
01 Nov 07
Originally posted by Dragon FireI think both lines can lead to exciting games - the problem is that it's up to white. Either way he can keep it quiet (e.g. 4. d3)
3. ... Nf6 is more aggressive and gives black better winning chances.
whereas
3. ... Bc5 is solid, boring and drawish.
Play the former to win, the latter to draw.
01 Nov 07
Originally posted by Dragon FireAt the very worst you had a draw in our game. I put the position into my computer and it was drawn, but that is assuming I play the endgame up to your strength. 😉
You can also try 5. ... b5 as I did in Game 3485180 and Game 4030313.
It avoids the main lines and seems to give interesting play.
Edit: In case anyones wondering I gave the draw in the 2nd game as I wanted to give up the seige board. I think at the end I had enough of an advantage to probably win.
01 Nov 07
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Just found a fun OTB game I played in my local league over 5 yrs ago in the Two Knights
If anyone cares 🙂
I have removed the names to protect the dignity of my opponent (Who's rating is about 1900)
[C59]: Two Knights: 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 5.Bb5+ c6 6.dxc6 bxc6 7.Be2
My Local League, 04.02.2002
1.e4 e5
2.Bc4 Nf6
3.Nf3 Nc6
4.Ng5 d5
5.exd5 Na5
6.Bb5+ c6
7.dxc6 bxc6
8.Be2 h6
9.Nf3 e4
10.Ne5 Bd6
11.Ng4 0-0
12.Nc3 Re8
13.0-0 Nxg4
14.Bxg4 Qh4
15.h3 f5
16.Be2 Re6
17.d4 Rg6
18.Kh1 f4
19.Nxe4 Bxh3
20.g3 fxg3
0-1
01 Nov 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayerEuh... Fritz actually made up his own variation???
Ah....5...b5 The Ulvestad Variation. White here should play 6.Bf1! when play can transpose into the Fritz varaition after 6.Bf1 Nd4.
Good Choice DF 😉
Impressive computer chess these days 😕
Do you guys really encounter many Italian games? In OTB play I use e5 as a weapon against people who play the Sicilian better than myself, but I get Spanish and Scottisch only.
I'm used to 3. ...-Bc5 in the Italian and thought 4. 0-0 was theory there, but it probably doesn't really matter in which order you play.
01 Nov 07
Originally posted by AstherealThe two main moves after
Euh... Fritz actually made up his own variation???
Impressive computer chess these days 😕
Do you guys really encounter many Italian games? In OTB play I use e5 as a weapon against people who play the Sicilian better than myself, but I get Spanish and Scottisch only.
I'm used to 3. ...-Bc5 in the Italian and thought 4. 0-0 was theory there, but it probably doesn't really matter in which order you play.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 are
a) 4.c3 (Whit can then ain to play either d4 or d3)
b) 4,b4 (The Evams Gambit)
4.0-0 is not very ambitious at all here Black can simply play 4...Nf6 or 4...d6.
01 Nov 07
Originally posted by znshoI heard this from a very good source (a guy at my club who is in the know)......I will probe him further to tell me where he heard it!
'Particularly 4.Ng5 which Short has recently said White simply wins a pawn!! '
Where can I view Short's analysis? Can you post a link?
Then I will tell you 😉
P.S. I hope it's all nonsense too!
01 Nov 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayerNot so sure it is nonsense. I seem to do very well with the Fried Liver Attack.
I heard this from a very good source (a guy at my club who is in the know)......I will probe him further to tell me where he heard it!
Then I will tell you 😉
P.S. I hope it's all nonsense too!
01 Nov 07
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Originally posted by ih8sensI'd love to see that research. It was obvious to me when we were playing that you had done a lot!
Actually... Wilkes, Barre, and Traxler all thought it to be objectively sound and with most engines (EVEN after Bxf7+) the game is judged to be equal by about the 13-15th move.
I'd say with perfect play the line draws after Bxf7+ and wins for black after Nxf7.
If you'd like a game as white I'd be happy to play you 🙂.
I regret now not keeping ev ...[text shortened]... erated over the past few months regarding this opening... it would have made a great book 😛.
You played and talked about some lines I hadn't seen before.
You had me in our game with you as black. Qh4+ was winning I'm pretty sure.
02 Nov 07
Originally posted by znshoI think he was talking about the line that is the most common at the top level:
'Particularly 4.Ng5 which Short has recently said White simply wins a pawn!! '
Where can I view Short's analysis? Can you post a link?
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5 d5
5. exd5 Na5
6. Bb5 c6
7. dxc6 bxc6
Black sacrifices a pawn for the initiative. Short reckons it isn't worth it. See, for example, http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1429125
(I often just play 6...Bd7 and avoid the sacrifice)
02 Nov 07
Originally posted by DejectionThat's hilarious since declining the Evan's with Bb6 is almost a forced loss. You don't play over classical games do you? Look up 'Pawn Roller" on the internet. They are almost all Bb6 Evans Gambits. They are all pretty short 🙂
Oh yeah, i used to play that, but i stopped when everybody at my chess club kept play Bb6 declining the gambit
02 Nov 07
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Originally posted by fluffymopSince that's the top scoring line at GM level (according to the Shredder database - 57% for black), that sounds highly unlikely. Which line is supposed to be a forced win for white?
That's hilarious since declining the Evan's with Bb6 is almost a forced loss. You don't play over classical games do you? Look up 'Pawn Roller" on the internet. They are almost all Bb6 Evans Gambits. They are all pretty short 🙂