05 Jan 08
Originally posted by English TalThat's actually not at all "a major part of the game" it has simply been patched on in modern times. Just a couple centuries ago, chess games were not played with time at all and of course there weren't any rules that declared time a part of the game. It's true that today it counts as much as a loss as checkmate, but it has never been absolutely intrinsic to the game. In fact, I still view it as something a bit external to it- a kind of modern compromise because our lives are faster. However, I feel that chess, in its highest forms should be decided only by the strongest moves and not the most minutes.
Time is a major part of the game of chess. Timing someone out is all part of it. I haven't looked at the game in question.
Anyway, back to the original post. I think you shouldn't get so annoyed at your opponent. He's earned a significantly higher rating and that suggests he usually makes fewer big errors than you. He is using this knowledge and hoping for an error. Of course, it may be he's waiting for your rating to rise or trying to time you out, as others mentioned.
05 Jan 08
Originally posted by EmiliosPart of it is a lack of respect. Your opponent is testing you.
You miss the point.I've been in here for 5 months and i've just had enough with people taking advantage of the time rules to force a result.I didn't demonstrate the game.I am setting an example.I didn't give away the game ID and i am not begging for anything.I've had many games like this...I am just wondering why do higher rated people think less of us...?
All you need to do is prove to your opponent that you know how to draw this. Do the correct moves for enough times, and he will concede the draw.
It can be a bit frustrating, but there are many 1400 players (and higher, I am sure) who have not learnt how to draw this yet. Prove him wrong!
05 Jan 08
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Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexIt's because I'm choosing my moment to move. I have many spare days remaining.
I thought as such. He seemed to hardly lose any time at all though - it was like every move you made got replied to within a few minutes.
Edit: Incidentally, I am quite open about this tactic, and to be fair to my opponent he respects this. Game in progress, careful please!
05 Jan 08
Originally posted by EmiliosFor what its worth I would agree the draw once you had shown me you knew how to draw. In a similar example in Game 2983433 my opponent (actually rated about 2200) continued playing this drawn position for about 10 moves until he was certain I knew how to draw, then he agreed it.
You miss the point.I've been in here for 5 months and i've just had enough with people taking advantage of the time rules to force a result.I didn't demonstrate the game.I am setting an example.I didn't give away the game ID and i am not begging for anything.I've had many games like this...I am just wondering why do higher rated people think less of us...?
Of course in this game I could have headed straight to h1 as even then B & RP together could not have won.
Incidently for what it is worth I believe most chess engines cannot see the drawing line in this game and would not have made the sacrifices I did to get there nor recognised the draw for some time after (incidently my opponent was not an engine - he is a strong player, whom I know personally, playing in the 4NCL and uses his real name here).
05 Jan 08
Originally posted by exigentskyMust be my fault for not stating that 'time is a major part of the game.... and has been for two centuries.'
That's actually not at all "a major part of the game" it has simply been patched on in modern times. Just a couple centuries ago, chess games were not played with time at all and of course there weren't any rules that declared time a part of the game. It's true that today it counts as much as a loss as checkmate, but it has never been absolutely intrinsic ...[text shortened]... be he's waiting for your rating to rise or trying to time you out, as others mentioned.
05 Jan 08
Originally posted by EmiliosI could make similar argument from another part of the rating curve having had to play dozens of games long past the point where my lower rated opponents were clearly lost, many of them right to checkmate. Probably they were hoping to win on time. Or just waiting for me to demonstrate to them that I could convert a material advantage. And higher rated players than me can point to many similar games with players of my rating.
You miss the point.I've been in here for 5 months and i've just had enough with people taking advantage of the time rules to force a result.I didn't demonstrate the game.I am setting an example.I didn't give away the game ID and i am not begging for anything.I've had many games like this...I am just wondering why do higher rated people think less of us...?
It is not a rating thing. Time is one element, but demonstrating that you can convert your wins and prove your draws is also another. Many players, regardless of their rating, demonstrate time after time that they cannot convert their wins and that they cannot demonstrate a theoretical draw for what it is. You'll be a lot happier with chess if you just accept that as part of the game, since I can guarantee you that you can add 300 or more points to your rating and you're still going to find no shortage of players who play on long after it may seem pointless for them to do so. It is not a rating thing.
05 Jan 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireI DID showed him with a message with the exact moves but whatever...Maybe my english is bad but i think this thread is out of my hands.The result of the game is not the reason why i posted this thread in the first place.
For what its worth I would agree the draw once you had shown me you knew how to draw. In a similar example in Game 2983433 my opponent (actually rated about 2200) continued playing this drawn position for about 10 moves until he was certain I knew how to draw, then he agreed it.
Of course in this game I could have headed straight to h1 as even t ...[text shortened]... he is a strong player, whom I know personally, playing in the 4NCL and uses his real name here).
05 Jan 08
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Originally posted by EmiliosWhen you draw you will have the last laugh.
I DID showed him with a message with the exact moves but whatever...Maybe my english is bad but i think this thread is out of my hands.The result of the game is not the reason why i posted this thread in the first place.
Its not a ratings thing. In Game 4445610 my lower rated opponent is still playing on despite my decisive material advantage. I am sure he knows I am won but chooses to play for his own reasons.
In Game 4244304 I offered my higher rated opponent a draw a number of times but he choose to play on for 15 moves before agreeing it. I assume he wanted me to demonstrate I knew how.
05 Jan 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireI think maris deserved to win that game really. He got unlucky in the end, although the opening play was a little suspect, perhaps a draw was acutually a fair result with hindsight.
When you draw you will have the last laugh.
In Game 4244304 I offered my higher rated opponent a draw a number of times but he choose to play on for 15 moves before agreeing it. I assume he wanted me to demonstrate I knew how.
05 Jan 08
Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexYes, definately he outplayed me and slowly but surely ground me down as my pawns were very weak. The tactical trick in the end that exchanged into a "drawn" ending was a stroke of luck and only spotted by me because I'd been reading up on Rook Endings only a few days earlier. However if he had headed to c7 with his king before grabbing the a pawn it may still have been a win for him. Once the a pawn was snatched I could get my king back and it became a book draw.
I think maris deserved to win that game really. He got unlucky in the end, although the opening play was a little suspect, perhaps a draw was acutually a fair result with hindsight.
05 Jan 08
I guess that's why i will never be a 2000 player...I never read chess books 🙂 I don't know any opening names and i have never played with someone better than me face to face to point out my mistakes.I learned everything bymyself so i will always be stuck at 1400-1500