Originally posted by AThousandYoung"You seem to take it all too seriously."
Ahh...public scorn and ridicule...reminds me of the Sullon Zek forums. I've seen like a half dozen of them get shut down because the posters were so obnoxious.
I wonder if you could handle a real flame war, Paul. I doubt it. You seem to take it all too seriously.
Yes... Not only Paul but we all... This is just a fun website and if some people don't want to resign being material down with no compensation.... blah blah blah so be it! Us wimps will have to deal with it 😀
Originally posted by GambitzoidGame 518724 -- From my newb days. Down two minor pieces and I refuse to resign and goes on to win the game. Now, add me to your list please!
List of Unsportsmanlike players...
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Originally posted by lucifershammerYou forget one important thing - (if you ask) they could be analysing the game for you and telling you where you went wrong, helping you improve your game.
You forget one important thing - (if you ask) they could be analysing the game for you and telling you where you went wrong, helping you improve your game.
Drag the game, and you've lost a potential practice partner.
Now you are killing me... hehehehehehe! 😀
Originally posted by AlopintoI aim to entertain! 😀
[b]You forget one important thing - (if you ask) they could be analysing the game for you and telling you where you went wrong, helping you improve your game.
Now you are killing me... hehehehehehe! 😀[/b]
Edit: Things were getting a little too hot for October on this thread anyway.
Originally posted by GambitzoidHi, it's me again.
Herasoul, I am sorry but your post makes no sense at all.
You asked, "It's their rights to taste the feeling a little bit longer. So, why don't you (the winners, finally) give the poor defeated players the chance to live the ...[text shortened]... op moves opening.
Tell me that kind of thinking is not sad....
I'm sorry. But I think you're missing my point. My point is like this:
You know that your opponent is just trying to waste your time. But do you know what they're feeling? They're feeling ashame, anger, hopeless, and they're trying to act as nothing's had happened. Those feelings separate the player who enjoy the game and the player who is depressed in his/her moves. Let the stress in their head, not you!! If you just wait and make your move in the good feelings, your opponent will be resign soon.
Come on, as a non-subsriber player you have the other 4 games. Believe me, I know the situation when an opponent is just acting to waste your time. But he/she is also wasting his/her time. Remember this:
When they're wasting time, it means they're in deep stress. And you are leading your game, and actually YOU ARE ALREADY A WINNER.
And one more: REMEMBER THE FEELINGS.
There is no need to play when the feeling is gone.
Good luck.
-Me-
I'm a lawyer. I engage in formalized flame wars for a living.
LOL. Good response.
How respectful is it to waste two hours of your opponent's time puttering along with your two pawns against their two pawns and rook, running down your clock, forcing them to walk another pawn up, promote to a queen, root your king out, and mate you.
They could be having a beer with friends. They could be playing a game that is actually challenging and interesting. They could be getting dinner. They could be reading one of Shakespeare's sonnets. They could be having wild monkey sex with their mate. Instead, they're sitting around watching you spend 10 minutes per move to push your king back and forth between the same two squares.
Is that RESPECTFUL? Is it? Is it?
It's correspondence chess, paul. They can do these things anyway no matter how long their opponent takes.
I refuse to ever play you. In fact I am starting a list of players who are to be branded as unsportsmanlike and their handles will be posted on the forums. So if you agree with and find it crude to not resign when necessary then do not play any players on this list...
Ooh! Ooh! Put me on the list! Pick me! Please! I love being on prissy peoples' little blacklists.
I defy you to find someone rated above 1000 who genuinely believes that they can "make something out of" the sort of positions we're talking about.
Different people are talking about different positions. The initial post was about disparities like Q+R advantage, which is huge. The chance of pulling out of this is pretty damn small...but it's something.
I think it's about time to invoke Godwin's Law on this thread...
Woops. He got you there dpressnell. That's a cool Law.
Now then. Let's help the thread evolve in it's natural direction.
If you play the White side in chess, you're obviously a Nazi! Attacking poor people of color without provocation!
Only Nazis demand resignations!
Down with Nazis!
Alopinto
Did you analyze this game carefully to see the blunders, inaccuracies in the opening, etc.? When I tried to study your game I couldn't stand wondering about your notes from the game and what was it that you learned.
Yes, I have analysed the game, and have learned a lot from it. I never said it was the best game I ever played, I just said that it was my favourite that I have played on RHP, ie: its the one I had the most fun in. Purely because I really enjoy backs against the wall chess defending, and then to be able to pressure my opponent into a blunder made it even more enjoyable. When that blunder was made, I believe he had 1 move that would avoid stalemate, which is what I was aiming for.
The reason for inaccuracies in the opening is because, at the time, I didn't know any openings. I apologise. Of course, this game and others from the same time showed me that indeed knowing some openings were important. I also learned that sacrificial attacks are pointless unless you are certain of success. 2 lessons from 1 crappy opening game.
Gambitzoid
But White has nothing to be proud of.
I never said I was proud of it, just that I had the most fun in it.
Gambitzoid
black was about 400 point weaker than white and second of all he gave his queen for free, and finally White's counterplay was crappy
At the time, it was about my 10th game on RHP, and our ratings were very similar. I have never played OTB tournaments or in any type of chess club, and had merely played some games against my friends, so I had no idea of my true rating. I disagree that my counterplay was crappy, after move 20.
Gambitzoid
So if you agree with and find it crude to not resign when necessary then do not play any players on this list...
I don't see how it was necessary to resign in my position. I decided to play on to see if I could force a stalemate. I believe that was well within my rights. My opponent in that game didn't see it as crude, or against his ethics as we continued to chat amicably all the way through. I also believe that u are the only one bandying around that u should resign immediately once you go a piece down. As I read it, Paultopia is saying that people should resign when a mate is obvious. If he is agreeing with you here, then I think he is being hypocritical, the evidence being in our game where he went B + N v P down and continued playing until mate was next move. I must state that I do not think Paultopia is hypocritical because I don't believe he agrees with u. Paultopia, I'd like you to clarify that if you don't mind.
As for the list of unsportsmanlike players, I have alerted it, and would ask anybody who visits RHP in the correct spirit to alert it too, so that it can be removed. Firstly, it is not a list of unsportsmanlike players, as the word 'list' implies more than 1 item. It is merely a defamatory personal attack on me, so I have alerted the site admin, as it is against the TOS of the site. I also think it ridiculous for a newbie who hasn't even completed a game here to start personally attacking an established, paying supporter of the site, when you obviously can not know what the site, and its members are all about. But that's really beside the point.
I did not post that game to show off, or to provide myself as a target for a personal attack, or to become involved in a slanging match. I merely posted it to show that I would have missed out on a lot of fun if I had resigned after my disastrous start. In the end of the day, that is the sole reason why I play chess on here: fun.
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In principle I disagree with black lists and I have never advocated doing so in these threads. I also have my share of games that were good learning experiences (That is, I sucked badly 🙂 ) but I would not post them here or elsewhere for whatever reason! (Unless my opponents do precisely that and make fun of me 🙂 )
Originally posted by AlopintoHorsepuckey, sportsmenship has as much to do with winning gracefully as it does losing. When to resign has more to do personel preference and attitude. example: I tend to be like a dog with a bone
No, it is not. It is disrespectfull and it is horrible chess! If there is a trace of game then I agree with you but dragging a game is a cowardly thing to do. Resigning gracefully shows character and good sportsmanship.
when I have a difficult problem to solve in my life. That includes work and playing chess. I don't like to give up in anything I do, and resigning is to close to giving up for me.
If that puts me on the no play list so be it.
Respectfully
TJN
Originally posted by TJN22Please read carefully my posts:
Horsepuckey, sportsmenship has as much to do with winning gracefully as it does losing. When to resign has more to do personel preference and attitude. example: I tend to be like a dog with a bone
when I have a difficult problem to solve in my life. That includes work and playing chess. I don't like to give up in anything I do, and resigning is to close to giving up for me.
If that puts me on the no play list so be it.
Respectfully
TJN
If there is anyone going against such black lists it is me. You quoted me and then proceeded to say this in your response to that quote:
"If that puts me on the no play list so be it."
People may think that I have such a list and publish it in the forums but that's not the case...
In regards to the rest of your post I respect your opinion and your choices in your personal life of not giving up. Here, I am only discussing games of chess where you are down material with no compensation whatsoever in a correspondence chess game. I respect people's choice not to resign and assume the resposibility of finishing up the game dealing with any traps that my opponent may set...
Kind regards,
Alopinto