All eyes evolved from a common ancestor!

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Very nice thing say to people, very nice indeed. Where have you tought these kind of manners? In your church, maybe, where you have the fundamentalistic friends of yours? They who teach you science like, eh, dinos at the ark and such?

Yea, I know it wasn't nice but you left me no choice. You were making
false claims I was left with either saying you were confused or calling
you a liar. I went with confused.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yea, I know it wasn't nice but you left me no choice. You were making
false claims I was left with either saying you were confused or calling
you a liar. I went with confused.
Kelly

You have always a choice. You cannot do something un-nice and then blame me. You have always a free will, either to do nice things, or to do un-nice things. Now you chosed, all by yourself, to do an un-nice thing.

I have never called you a liar. You have no clue what I think. Do you feel like a liar, then you have to do something about it.

You have to work with yourself. You have tu use your free will, and take your own responssability for your own will. Wou cannot blame others for your won mistakes. You cannot put your words in other mouths. If you think you're a liar, then behave accordingly, work with yourself, and not blame others of what you feel of yourself.

If you are confused, then you have to deal with it. There are certainly good people in your contry that can help you with that. Seek them and have a good conversation with your problems. Your confusion is yours, noone elses. You cannot blam any other person for your own confusion.

You own your own problems, I cannot do that for you. I pray that you can solve them, or find someone that can help you solve your personal problems.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are saying that no matter how the land mass of the earth is
shaped there is not way the water on the planet is covering it and the
math proves this, by all means show your work!

As I have told you more than a few times, I do not care how old the
earth is according to your beliefs. It is what it is! You may be very well
right, if not no matter how ...[text shortened]... lanet currently is enough to do the job of covering it if the
land were to be altered.
Kelly

I gave my working. Since the bible said all land was covered that means that you needed a rise of sea level from what it is currently to the peak of Mt Everest. I obtained the volume by multiplying the surface area of the earth by the height above sea level of the peak of Everest.

The only possible objection is that Everest appeared in the last 5,000 years or so. It did not, non-volcanic mountains change height over geological time-spans. However, even if the highest mountain were one tenth the size you still have too much water.

If you search back through the thread you will find that we gave a laboratory example of speciation in fruit flies. Speciation is a critical component of the theory. Your example of dogs growing gills or wings is automatically problematic, there is no adaptive advantage. What could, however, happen is that a breed of dogs become some new species with dog-like features and other features not associated with dogs.

Wings (on birds) evolved over several million years, You talk about evolution as if it was something that could happen very quickly. You don´t see one animal changing into another, but you do see the descendants of one animal becoming another over many generations.

Originally posted by DeepThought
I gave my working. Since the bible said all land was covered that means that you needed a rise of sea level from what it is currently to the peak of Mt Everest. I obtained the volume by multiplying the surface area of the earth by the height above sea level of the peak of Everest.

The only possible objection is that Everest appeared in the last 5,00 ...[text shortened]... to another, but you do see the descendants of one animal becoming another over many generations.

I've been telling you the land masses today do not have to reflect what
it was like then.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I've been telling you the land masses today do not have to reflect what
it was like then.
Kelly

The landmasses wasn't much different 6000 years ago. Millions of years ago, yes, but we're talking about a few thousands of years. This information is available if you google some. Your opinion is not worth much if you don't back it up a little.

Do you want to learn? Then read from reliable source. Call any university in geology and ask questions, they give you corret answers. If you don't trust some of them, ask other geologists. Worth the work.

But if you only have opinions, and don't want to learn from others, then you're stuck. Completely stuck, not going anywhere. And your ignorance will remain until you see your creator. He will tell you that you are wrong, dead wrong. He knows, because he created it all.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I've been telling you the land masses today do not have to reflect what
it was like then.
Kelly

As Fabian pointed out, you have to demonstrate that it is possible to get a geologically significant change in an area without volcanic activity in a non-geological time scale. This is the science forum, you need to back your argument up with some science.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
The landmasses wasn't much different 6000 years ago. Millions of years ago, yes, but we're talking about a few thousands of years. This information is available if you google some. Your opinion is not worth much if you don't back it up a little.

Do you want to learn? Then read from reliable source. Call any university in geology and ask questions, they ...[text shortened]... tor. He will tell you that you are wrong, dead wrong. He knows, because he created it all.

I'm sure you have data on that, what movie pictures from space or
what?
Kelly

Originally posted by DeepThought
As Fabian pointed out, you have to demonstrate that it is possible to get a geologically significant change in an area without volcanic activity in a non-geological time scale. This is the science forum, you need to back your argument up with some science.

I get you something later today, but if I start saying that same thing
to you when you just say....no reason to not believe it....I want an
answer and will not settle for such a lame excuse.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm sure you have data on that, what movie pictures from space or
what?
Kelly

You don't accept data if it's scientific and it goes against your bible, so what's the use?

My claim is well known geological facts. You can find your answer is nearly every basic book about geology. Try to read in some of them. Believe me, you will learn a lot.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I get you something later today, but if I start saying that same thing
to you when you just say....no reason to not believe it....I want an
answer and will not settle for such a lame excuse.
Kelly

If you want me to not say things like ¨there is no reason to believe this¨ you need to provide credible evidence.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You don't accept data if it's scientific and it goes against your bible, so what's the use?

My claim is well known geological facts. You can find your answer is nearly every basic book about geology. Try to read in some of them. Believe me, you will learn a lot.

Provide data, not opinion and we can talk about why I'm wrong.
Kelly

Originally posted by DeepThought
As Fabian pointed out, you have to demonstrate that it is possible to get a geologically significant change in an area without volcanic activity in a non-geological time scale. This is the science forum, you need to back your argument up with some science.

Okay it is a science forum, so when I tell people to leave matters of
faith out of the conversation you would agree with me that should be
done? I mean if we start to go down a path where we are not at all
talking about things we can measure, touch, repeat and so on then we
are on ground we should leave alone, right? I mean if I am being held
to that type of standard everyone should be, correct?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Provide data, not opinion and we can talk about why I'm wrong.
Kelly

And I say that the data is in every basic geology book. I don't see if you can understand anything if you haven't even opened a geology book.

You're wrong because you don't know anything of the basic concepts of geology. How it can provide us with scientific data, how it explains scientific observations.

If you don't even know how old the Earth is, then you cannot say that you don't know anything about the scientific methods about the geological timescale.

"we can talk about why I'm wrong.", you say. Does this mean that you know you're wrong? Then my advice is, I've given it to you before: Read a basic book about geology. Learn some. You don't have to educate yourself academically into a full grown geologist. Only so much so you understand the basic things would be sufficiant.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
And I say that the data is in every basic geology book. I don't see if you can understand anything if you haven't even opened a geology book.

You're wrong because you don't know anything of the basic concepts of geology. How it can provide us with scientific data, how it explains scientific observations.

If you don't even know how old the Earth is, ...[text shortened]... rown geologist. Only so much so you understand the basic things would be sufficiant.

Why should I take advice from you again, your proof is go read a book
make the agument yourself, you do think for yourself correct, you do
not have someone tell you what is true and you just accept it right?
I know you accuse me of that all the time, telling me that I'm just a
product of some pastor or who evers teaching. Explain it in layman's
terms, make an argument of it. If you cannot do such a basic thing
why should I bother listening to your advice?
Kelly

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You don't accept data if it's scientific and it goes against your bible, so what's the use?

My claim is well known geological facts. You can find your answer is nearly every basic book about geology. Try to read in some of them. Believe me, you will learn a lot.

You have never provided data that I can recall, I also don't ever recall
seeing you defend a stance on what the data means, basically you
just mouth what other people say, sort of a brain dead debating style.
Kelly