19 Aug 21
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@wildgrass
Also motivating the shots was the idea that polio can leave you in a wheelchair and they wanted to stop that also.
But now the motivation besides not dying is the damage left over, what looks like permanent side effects like brain damage and other organs with damage left over from surviving the virus.
THAT has to be a deciding factor I would think, besides the idea that a certain number WILL die.
21 Aug 21
@eladar saidIt sounds like what youre trying to say is that any potential but unproven side effects of the vaccine should be weighed against known long term complications associated with viral infections, especially a novel virus in which we don't know the type, frequency of long term effects.
Define long term. There are rare long term problem caused by chickenpox. I as m sure pretty much all viruses can trigger as long term negative effect.
21 Aug 21
@wildgrass saidI am saying people should be given a choice. If vaccines work as advertised, you are safe after getting vaccinated.
It sounds like what youre trying to say is that any potential but unproven side effects of the vaccine should be weighed against known long term complications associated with viral infections, especially a novel virus in which we don't know the type, frequency of long term effects.
28 Aug 21
@medullah saidAre you talking about the vaccine or the virus.
There have been no long or medium term studies so nobody knows.
mRNA vaccines in general have been in development for 30 years. They conducted clinical trials in 2009 on an anti-cancer vaccine. While it was not proven effective, it was safe.
Of course for this one we don't know much long term about the virus or vaccine. Historically, the long-term consequences of viral infections far outweigh any harm of vaccination. e.g. post polio syndrome, shingles, HIV. We're in a living experiment about the long-term health effects of COVID and we know a lot more about vaccination risks.
@wildgrass said"Historically, the long-term consequences of viral infections far outweigh any harm of vaccination."
Are you talking about the vaccine or the virus.
mRNA vaccines in general have been in development for 30 years. They conducted clinical trials in 2009 on an anti-cancer vaccine. While it was not proven effective, it was safe.
Of course for this one we don't know much long term about the virus or vaccine. Historically, the long-term consequences of viral infections far ...[text shortened]... periment about the long-term health effects of COVID and we know a lot more about vaccination risks.
It depends on the vaccine. Some vaccines were shown to do more harm than good. You cannot lump them all together and claim a new and experimental gene vaccine is represented by old vaccines that are not gene vaccines and not all of the traditional vaccines were safe either.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15322523/
https://www.berkshireeagle.com/archives/letter-dangerous-gardasil-drug-should-be-banned-in-us/article_7c3e272d-6865-56df-b4cc-4a81cf0c313a.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29889622/
31 Aug 21
@Metal-Brain
You don't seem to understand what that meant. Benefits far exceed the risk.
You don't seem to understand that is an overall view and bad vaccines will be found out but there are no vaccines that have killed 650,000 people in the US alone or 4 million worldwide.
01 Sep 21
@metal-brain saidSince mRNA is not infectious, there's no reason to think that it would be more harmful than a "traditional" vaccine that uses the whole virus (including the mRNA).
"Historically, the long-term consequences of viral infections far outweigh any harm of vaccination."
It depends on the vaccine. Some vaccines were shown to do more harm than good. You cannot lump them all together and claim a new and experimental gene vaccine is represented by old vaccines that are not gene vaccines and not all of the traditional vaccines were safe eit ...[text shortened]... in-us/article_7c3e272d-6865-56df-b4cc-4a81cf0c313a.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29889622/
02 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidThat depends on the vaccine. Some of them have done more harm than good. If you had read my sources you would know that. Can't you read?
@Metal-Brain
You don't seem to understand what that meant. Benefits far exceed the risk.
You don't seem to understand that is an overall view and bad vaccines will be found out but there are no vaccines that have killed 650,000 people in the US alone or 4 million worldwide.
02 Sep 21
@wildgrass saidIt is an experimental form of gene therapy. It says on the insert it is unknown if it causes infertility. Some scientists think it might increase your risk of getting cancer and even affect your DNA. There is no proof that is the case, but there is no prove it is not the case either.
Since mRNA is not infectious, there's no reason to think that it would be more harmful than a "traditional" vaccine that uses the whole virus (including the mRNA).
You don't have anyway of knowing what you are assuming is true. You just have faith in your covid cult. Traditional vaccines stop the spread of viruses, the gene vaccines don't. They are gene therapy treatments, technically not vaccines.
If you think treatments are worthwhile you should endorse making HCQ available without a prescription so people can have it on hand to take in the early stages of the disease. It would save lives.
Fauci and others suppressed HCQ using fraudulent means. He is killing people.
03 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidYour hostility to my facts is getting people killed. You are killing people.
@Metal-Brain
Fortunately your opinions are irrelevant and STUPID besides.
@metal-brain saidHCQ is highly poisonous. At doses that might suppress virus replication, the effects are quite likely a lot more toxic than a vaccine (although I haven't seen studies proving HCQ effectiveness). I don't think over the counter is a good idea.
It is an experimental form of gene therapy. It says on the insert it is unknown if it causes infertility. Some scientists think it might increase your risk of getting cancer and even affect your DNA. There is no proof that is the case, but there is no prove it is not the case either.
You don't have anyway of knowing what you are assuming is true. You just have faith in ...[text shortened]... t would save lives.
Fauci and others suppressed HCQ using fraudulent means. He is killing people.
Why are you so afraid of the vaccine? There's nothing in it that is inherently dangerous.