28 Jan 11
Originally posted by menace71I believe the eating of meat, like a great many other things in "modern society" is removed.
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http://www.in-n-out.com/
http://daviswiki.org/Redrum_Burger used to be called murder burger
Manny
What I mean to say is that the consumer is removed from the process of killing or processing the animal. Children aren't told that they are eating dead pig when we make them a ham sandwich.
I promote organic farming of animals for their meat, but, as with other capitalistic ventures, the health of the "product" is not nearly as important as the bottom line.
Vote with your pockets, ladies and gentlemen. Every purchase is sending a message to the consumer watchdogs, and the world will change for the better, because the people will demand it.
Buy organic meat and vegies where possible. Cut out the middle man where possible. Grow your own everything where possible. These three tenets should be high on any serious persons agenda with regards to " seeking a spiritual life."(or something like that 😛 )
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelNo argument with what your saying. I actually think we were not meant to eat meat anyway because were not true carnivores like say Lions or wolves or what have you.
I believe the eating of meat, like a great many other things in "modern society" is removed.
What I mean to say is that the consumer is removed from the process of killing or processing the animal. Children aren't told that they are eating dead pig when we make them a ham sandwich.
I promote organic farming of animals for their meat, but, as with othe ...[text shortened]... s persons agenda with regards to " seeking a spiritual life."(or something like that 😛 )
However to say one is going to hell or whatever the trip is that vishvahetu is saying is stupid. We live in a dying world. We need to eat to live.
Manny
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by menace71Excuse me, I have not said persons who kill animals are going to hell.
No argument with what your saying. I actually think we were not meant to eat meat anyway because were not true carnivores like say Lions or wolves or what have you.
However to say one is going to hell or whatever the trip is that vishvahetu is saying is stupid. We live in a dying world. We need to eat to live.
Manny
You are dishonest for saying so.
I have said... if you kill and are cruel to animals you will not go to this heaven you are so desperately trying to go to.
And I have said that killing is sinful.
Saying killing is sinful, does not mean persons are going to hell.
The fires of hell are a Cristian invention.
29 Jan 11
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Originally posted by vishvahetuHell was talked about in the O.T. so the Jews knew of it first.
Excuse me, I have not said persons who kill animals are going to hell.
You are dishonest for saying so.
I have said... if you kill and are cruel to animals you will not go to this heaven you are so desperately trying to go to.
And I have said that killing is sinful.
Saying killing is sinful, does not mean persons are going to hell.
The fires of hell are a Cristian invention.
Edit: I like how you say dishonest. He probably just made a mistake or it was a misunderstanding.
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by RBHILLYes.....but when I said what I said, I actually mean its a Bible thing, and Christianity is a Bible thing.
Hell was talked about in the O.T. so the Jews knew of it first.
So if i restate what I mean....I will say instead, that this hell and the fires within, are a Bible thing. OT and NT.
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by vishvahetuSo do you think there is a hell at all? Please respond.
Yes.....but when I said what I said, I actually mean its a Bible thing, and Christianity is a Bible thing.
So if i restate what I mean....I will say instead, that this hell and the fires within, are a Bible thing. OT and NT.
Also look at my edit in my last post.
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by RBHILLHis comment was quite clear in his accusation....if it was a mistake, let him come forward and say so, in which case all is forgotten.
Hell was talked about in the O.T. so the Jews knew of it first.
Edit: I like how you say dishonest. He probably just made a mistake or it was a misunderstanding.
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by RBHILLThe Vedic teachings also talk of hell
So do you think there is a hell at all? Please respond.
Also look at my edit in my last post.
Hellish life, hellish conditions.....but there is no such place where the souls are subjected to flames and lakes of fire for eternity.
This is fabrication from the Bible. (or a misunderstanding)
The Vedic teachings describe hell, fire and suffering, but this is in the ethereal world where everything is an illusion.
So the descriptions of hell and fire, are of an illusionary place that does exist, but in an illusion.
Like dreaming....you are falling of a building (but it is an illusion)
Why does such place exist?
Because as I have explained before, everyone creates their reality by the thoughts they think, the deeds they do, and the words they speak.
So if a person has thoughts of hell before they die, and they believe that they will experience that.....(then they will) because they have created it, but it is temporary moment (a split second) in reality, because time in an illusion is a million times more than in reality.
Why does a person think of hell before they die....because they have believed it their whole life, from what they have been taught from the Bible or Koran, and they have now created that reality in the moment after their death.
And because God cannot send people to such a place, (it doesn't exist in reality) instead it all takes place within an illusion created by ones self.
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by vishvahetuThere was no reason to call Manny dishonest there
Excuse me, I have not said persons who kill animals are going to hell.
You are dishonest for saying so.
I have said... if you kill and are cruel to animals you will not go to this heaven you are so desperately trying to go to.
And I have said that killing is sinful.
Saying killing is sinful, does not mean persons are going to hell.
The fires of hell are a Cristian invention.
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by vishvahetuI've had this problem before so maybe we could flesh it out a bit.
The Vedic teachings also talk of hell
Hellish life, hellish conditions.....but there is no such place where the souls are subjected to flames and lakes of fire for eternity.
This is fabrication from the Bible. (or a misunderstanding)
The Vedic teachings describe hell, fire and suffering, but this is in the ethereal world where everything is an ...[text shortened]... doesn't exist in reality) instead it all takes place within an illusion created by ones self.
If we create our own universe , can we create an actual hell,(where there is eternal suffering)?
I think not. Only purgatory. The true nature of God wouldn't try to condem any soul to eternal punishment.
It goes against the laws of evolution.
But then we come back to creation, and being co-creators of our world. Are our minds so powerful that we can actually create a real hell?
Surely some universal technicality forbids it.
(Also sounds like the "Can god make a rock so heavy" arguement)
29 Jan 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelWe create our own universe by way of creating the conditions, perceptions, rules, laws, wrong and right, good and bad....and everybody is doing it all the time.
I've had this problem before so maybe we could flesh it out a bit.
If we create our own universe , can we create an actual hell,(where there is eternal suffering)?
I think not. Only purgatory. The true nature of God wouldn't try to condem any soul to eternal punishment.
It goes against the laws of evolution.
But then we come back to creation, an ...[text shortened]... l technicality forbids it.
(Also sounds like the "Can god make a rock so heavy" arguement)
Two persons walking down the street may live in very different universes.
Two persons even in the same family may be perceiving different universes.
A person believing in the fires of hell their whole life, and living a life of crime and violence, may believe hell is waiting for them after death, so this belief will cause them to experience the hell of their believing.
The hell is not real, but a dream of their own dreaming and it is only temporary.
Yes God does not condemn, God cannot condemn for God is infinite love.
Men can condemn and will condemn if their hearts are hard.
Persons who have compiled the Bible and Koran have condemnation in their hearts, and it is why they have falsely attributed condemnation to the Lord.
30 Jan 11
Originally posted by vishvahetuSo is eating an animal and being cruel to an animal the same thing? By way the ok Not hell but not heaven either so if you did not say hell sorry.
Excuse me, I have not said persons who kill animals are going to hell.
You are dishonest for saying so.
I have said... if you kill and are cruel to animals you will not go to this heaven you are so desperately trying to go to.
And I have said that killing is sinful.
Saying killing is sinful, does not mean persons are going to hell.
The fires of hell are a Cristian invention.
Manny
30 Jan 11
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Originally posted by menace71No problem all forgotten.....
So is eating an animal and being cruel to an animal the same thing? By way the ok Not hell but not heaven either so if you did not say hell sorry.
Manny
This killing thing has many angles to it.
1 .Something is alive...... and we do not have the right to end its life.
2. Being killed is unpleasant.
3. Animals can smell death around them in the slaughter house, and become fearful.
4. Animals are treated badly when transported and kept in storage, before being killed.
5. killing is bad karma for the person doing the killing.
6. killing stops spiritual advancement for the killer.
7. killing is a sin according to true religion.
8. meat diet is not healthy.
All of the above brings suffering to the animal
Eating an animal means you are implicated in the whole process of the slaughter.