@Suzianne

Originally posted by @divegeester
And the Friday night paranoia kicks in 🙄

Why are you lashing out at suzianne, tiger? I can still pay attention to you too. And as long as you behave and don’t repeat that naughty talk you hear outside the home, I’ll keep making you PB&J sandwiches with the crusts cut off. Do you like the chunky or smooth PB best? Which one is easier on your tummy?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Men like Suzianne like their boys lively and difficult to hold down; are you the strong and fighting back type, or the weeping into your pillow type?

Don't presume to know anything about me.

9 out of 10 times in the past, you've been wrong.

Of course, it never stops your insulting, even for a millisecond.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Don't presume to know anything about me.

9 out of 10 times in the past, you've been wrong.

Of course, it never stops your insulting, even for a millisecond.

Chill out.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Chill out.

If I called you "paranoid" after you wrote a post that you feel strongly about, would YOU "chill out"?

You do this here with amazing regularity. You cut people off at the knees and then act like it was nothing.

Actions have consequences. What one says testifies to their character.

But that's not important, right? The "harpy" should just "chill out".

Where's your "chill"?

Originally posted by @suzianne
If I called you "paranoid" after you wrote a post that you feel strongly about, would YOU "chill out"?

You do this here with amazing regularity. You cut people off at the knees and then act like it was nothing.

Actions have consequences. What one says testifies to their character.

But that's not important, right? The "harpy" should just "chill out".

Where's your "chill"?

You have absolutely zero sense of humour.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
There are others. How about Kierkegaard? The truth is there to be found for those who seek it. "Seek and ye shall find". From what I've seen, the vast majority of Christians hate the truth, so never seek it.

The great theologian Soren Kierkegaard, writing in The Journals, echoes the above sentiment: Quote
"In the teachings of Christ, religio ...[text shortened]... ist"

Pasted from <http://www.wizanda.com/modules/article/view.article.php/article=52>

Kierkegaard, Rajk and ThinkOfOne.

The unholy trinity of apostate reprobates.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Chill out.

You’re the one who needs to chill, tiger. Your boozy belligerence is getting tiresome.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re the one who needs to chill, tiger. Your boozy belligerence is getting tiresome.

You’re a homosexual...aren’t you?

Originally posted by @divegeester
You’re a homosexual...aren’t you?

Sounds that way to me as well. He just pretends to flirt with Suzanne but thats a distraction. he tries to get your attention more than anything else.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Sounds that way to me as well. He just pretends to flirt with Suzanne but thats a distraction. he tries to get your attention more than anything else.

I’ve noticed this too; shame FMF has left the site as he was Romans2009’s first love.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I’ve noticed this too; shame FMF has left the site as he was Romans2009’s first love.

I think FMF is scared of his advances .. I would disappear as well lol 😀

Originally posted by @suzianne

This particular passage contains nearly my entire argument against Paul. Clearly, Paul does not understand modern women. I find the simple statement that women can only be saved by childbirth disturbing in the extreme. As if we are only vessels, without worth of our own.

Do you think that Paul had as a major tenet of the Gospel that women cannot be justified for eternal redemption except through having children ?

I don't think he meant "saved" in that sense.

Not only that, but Paul blames women for the original sin.

Can you tell me then why Paul said that through one man Adam sin entered into the world? Why didn't he write that through one WOMAN sin entered into the world?

"Therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin, death ..." (See Romans 5:12)

And why does Paul write about the disobedience of one MAN? Why didn't he write about the disobedience of one WOMAN?

"For just as through the disobedience of one man the many were constituted sinners, ..." (See Romans 5:19)

Not quite that easy, is it?

Even though original sin is passed on by the man. Even though you both also claim that "the head of the household is the man", meaning the man has responsibility of everything that happens in the household. And yet, Adam's fall is blamed on the woman.

Which is it, Paul? This must be a throwback to Paul's former life, because he certainly did not get this misogyny from Jesus. So Paul himself is not "following Jesus" with this ridiculous and de-evolved doctrine.

What I see in the Timothy passage is that the woman was deceived yet the man was more deliberate in his disobedience. I don't see that as shifting the whole blame of the fall of humans on Eve, the woman.

"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been quite deceived, has fallen into transgression." ( 1 Tim. 2:14)

I don't see Paul arguing in Romans that the fall of man is entirely the fault of Eve.

And his instruction about women disciples in the church life is virtually equivalent to those for the male disciples?

"Women, similarly must be grave, not slanders, temporate, faithful in all things." ( 1 Tim. 3:10)

He is not saying:
"But males? they can be not grave."
"But males? they can be slanderers."
"But males? Well, its okay if they are not temporate and not faithful in all things."

The word "similarly" means that the same high moral standard applies to the women disciples as well as the men disciples.

"Women SIMILARLY ..."

That is similarly to the serving ones concerning whom he has been writing about.

I agree that nuances of Paul's exhortations may give rise to the question of "Well, WHICH did you mean Paul?"

But I think you're too hard on the brother. One of the offending passages says this.

"But she will be saved through her childbearing, IF they remain in faith and love and holiness with sobriety."

1.) I do not think Paul means "saved" as in eternal redemption saved - eternal life saved.

2.) There is not the slightest hint that it is OK for the men to not remain in faith just as well.
There is no hint that the men may fall out of divine love.
There is no hint that it is ok for the men to not partake of holiness.
There is no hint that the men do not have to exercise sobriety.

In many regards there is no difference in the high moral expectation of men over the same expectation of women.

The burden is not heavier upon the females to behave then for the men to do so.

He spoke quite highly of the two females in Timothy's spiritual upbringing - his grandmother Lois and mother Eunice.

"Having been reminded of the unfeigned faith in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded dwells also in you." (2 Timothy 1:5)

Did you get a hint that the faith of these two women meant less to the apostle?

Originally posted by @rajk999
I think FMF is scared of his advances .. I would disappear as well lol 😀

Please do disappear. Maybe with some quiet time and earnest prayer, you’ll come to know and accept Jesus Christ into your heart.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I’ve noticed this too; shame FMF has left the site as he was Romans2009’s first love.

So sad. But you frequently get this way when you’re boozy and belligerent.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Sounds that way to me as well. He just pretends to flirt with Suzanne but thats a distraction. he tries to get your attention more than anything else.

Is this how you follow Christ’s commandments? Bearing false witness?

You claim to be a sheep of Christ’s, but you can’t stop sinning. Your “I’m a follower of Jesus” routine is getting harder to believe every day.

If you can’t stop sinning on the Internet, one shudders to think how much sinning you do in real life.

Sad!