A Bible related question regarding free will

Originally posted by lemon lime
Now they can talk among themselves without bothering us, or being bothered by us...

Do you think Jesus had an us-and-them attitude?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Do you think Jesus had an us-and-them attitude?

Do you have an us-and-them attitude?

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Originally posted by lemon lime
Do you have an us-and-them attitude?

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Usually not, but in your case I'll make an exception.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agree, I'd also point out (my belief) that evil once it was the table is
getting its full display. I used to wonder why God didn't just zap them as
soon as it occurred, but I believe you nailed the reason for that not
happening. Those that didn't rebel could have wondered what is God holding
back from us? Now, we see evil for what it is at every level ...[text shortened]... in the middle east with little kids being beheaded, it doesn't get much
worse than that.
Kelly

It appears you've given this some thought as well... a few weeks ago I came across this set of verses, and that's when it occurred to me Lucifer wasn't immediately tossed out of heaven:

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/28-15.htm

He hadn't yet brought other angels into his camp of opposition. The sphere of his influence (due of his high position) meant he had the ear of the other angels, but I believe opposition to God was a progression beginning from that moment when pride was first found in him.

I don't believe God is waiting for people (or angels) to mess up so he can say 'Gotcha sucka, now you going down!'. Instead I think he may have given Lucifer room to repent after pride was first found in him. So Lucifer probably had plenty of room to change his mind, but I'm convinced that if he was rebuked it would have only wounded his pride... and wounding the pride of a narcissist isn't likely to lead to repentance.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Do angels have free will?

People have or are capable of free will, but what about angels? Do they also possess this quality?

What caused the rebellion in heaven was God's revelation to them of Mary.

You can find the significants of this in Revelations where it reads of the Ark of the Covenant. Mary, is the Ark, and Jesus the Covenant.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
What caused the rebellion in heaven was God's revelation to them of Mary.

You can find the significants of this in Revelations where it reads of the Ark of the Covenant. Mary, is the Ark, and Jesus the Covenant.

I'm not familiar with Catholicism, or what Catholics believe about angels and Satan (the angel formerly known as Lucifer).

Originally posted by lemon lime
I'm not familiar with Catholicism, or what Catholics believe about angels and Satan (the angel formerly known as Lucifer).

the angel* formerly known as Lucifer

*I don't think he's called an angel now... and I'm not sure if the word 'demon' applies either, although it probably does.