@fmf saidMurder is a legal term, so technically the law of man is in full control of that, standing before God is a different discussion.
Are you talking about VLP1083's belief about the termination a pregnancy caused by rape not being "murder"?
@kellyjay saidAre you saying it’s not murder here before men, but it is murder before God?
Murder is a legal term, so technically the law of man is in full control of that, standing before God is a different discussion.
@kellyjay saidDid you read the post I was responding to?
You read the very 1st post correct? If justifying an abortion is due to someone else’ deeds, or some other circumstance that has nothing to do with the unborn child, could you use the same justification for killing other children?
@divegeester saidHe is the final judge. If society deems something horrific as good does not mean God must or will accept it. If you read the OT you see Kingdoms rose and fell due to the leadership doing good or evil before God. The laws of the land are set by its leaders, that doesn’t excuse sin they promote before God.
Are you saying it’s not murder here before men, but it is murder before God?
I don’t even think is debatable otherwise why complain about what society accepted years ago. If we can condemn history God most certainly will!
@dj2becker saidI'd murder the 3 year old and the siblings and the father and the uncle. And the classmates. If they were 3.
What do you think?
@kellyjay saidHave you realized you responded to the beliefs of a fellow Christian?
He is the final judge. If society deems something horrific as good does not mean God must or will accept it. If you read the OT you see Kingdoms rose and fell due to the leadership doing good or evil before God. The laws of the land are set by its leaders, that doesn’t excuse sin they promote before God.
I don’t even think is debatable otherwise why complain about what society accepted years ago. If we can condemn history God most certainly will!
Numbers 5 (NIV)
11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”