19 Oct 18
@thinkofone saidYou ignored what I said to say something that doesn’t mean what you claim. The human race started with the breath of God. Humility after that doesn’t have to be started again out of the dust.
Scripture also tells us that life begins with breath.
The Bible being what it is, the reality is that the Bible is open to interpretation as to when life begins. That many use terms such as "God's law" to describe their own interpretation is hubris. It speaks to their own sense of self-importance.
The two things I mentioned remain true!
19 Oct 18
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@kellyjay saidYou ignored what I said to say something that doesn’t mean what you claim.
You ignored what I said to say something that doesn’t mean what you claim. The human race started with the breath of God. Humility after that doesn’t have to be started again out of the dust.
The two things I mentioned remain true!
That knife cuts both ways KJ.
Like I said:
The Bible being what it is, the reality is that the Bible is open to interpretation as to when life begins.
The Bible is filled with inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. Though most refuse to admit it, they pick and choose the verses and passages that support their beliefs and dismiss those that don't and often do so in a most disingenuous manner
Those who claim that it is to be taken literally, nonetheless pick and choose which parts they do and don't take literally, pick and choose passages to ignore and/or alter, impress their own preconceived biases and beliefs onto their "literal" interpretation, etc.
Furthermore, they somehow delude themselves to believe that because they take it "literally", they KNOW the word of God.
19 Oct 18
@thinkofone saidYou are someone who picks and chooses what parts of scripture you like and don’t. This means that is what you do with all scripture, you either make it mean what you want or ignore it. Forgive me if I find your interpretation meaningless on any topic.
You ignored what I said to say something that doesn’t mean what you claim.
That knife cuts both ways KJ.
Like I said:The Bible being what it is, the reality is that the Bible is open to interpretation as to when life begins.
The Bible is filled with inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. Though most refuse to admit it, ...[text shortened]... mehow delude themselves to believe that because they take it "literally", they KNOW the word of God.
19 Oct 18
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@kellyjay saidYou are someone who picks and chooses what parts of scripture you like and don’t. This means that is what you do with all scripture, you either make it mean what you want or ignore it. Forgive me if I find your interpretation meaningless on any topic.
You are someone who picks and chooses what parts of scripture you like and don’t. This means that is what you do with all scripture, you either make it mean what you want or ignore it. Forgive me if I find your interpretation meaningless on any topic.
The fact is that YOU " are someone who picks and chooses what parts of scripture you like and don’t. This means that is what you do with all scripture, you either make it mean what you want or ignore it."
You seem to have deluded yourself into believing that you don't, but the fact is that you do. You've proven it time and time again on this forum. You then accuse others of doing exactly what you do.
20 Oct 18
@thinkofone saidThe one of the great differences between you and I can be summed up with your argument. If someone wants to know what I think the scripture means I can just say read it, you have to give your interpretation of it, without you no can know. You can ask my opinion on verses but I am not required for anyone to read and understand the scriptures. If there are issues with understanding I would point to prayer and God, you have to explain and I am not sure what you think about God.
You are someone who picks and chooses what parts of scripture you like and don’t. This means that is what you do with all scripture, you either make it mean what you want or ignore it. Forgive me if I find your interpretation meaningless on any topic.
The fact is that YOU " are someone who picks and chooses what parts of scripture you like and don’t. This means t ...[text shortened]... ing that you don't, but the fact is that you do. You've proven it time and time again on this forum.
What book, chapter, and verses are you referring to with respect to babies and breathing and life?
@kellyjay saidIf someone wants to know what I think the scripture means I can just say read it, you have to give your interpretation of it, without you no can know. You can ask my opinion on verses but I am not required for anyone to read and understand the scriptures.
The one of the great differences between you and I can be summed up with your argument. If someone wants to know what I think the scripture means I can just say read it, you have to give your interpretation of it, without you no can know. You can ask my opinion on verses but I am not required for anyone to read and understand the scriptures. If there are issues with understa ...[text shortened]...
What book, chapter, and verses are you referring to with respect to babies and breathing and life?
C'mon KJ.
Based on what you've seemed to be saying in your posts over the years, there's no way you can reasonably accept a straightforward literal reading of the following passage. It's the type of passage that YOU "make it mean what you want or ignore it".:
1 John 3
6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
8The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
What is your understanding of the above passage?
20 Oct 18
@thinkofone saidThought so, you get yourself into a discussion, you say something. Instead of backing it up you attempt to avoid that with something else, predictable!
C'mon KJ. Show how you're "not required for anyone to read and understand" the passage the way you interpret it. How you "can just say read it". You made the accusation. Now back it up.
@kellyjay saidYet here you are again doing the very thing that you've just accused me of doing.
Thought so, you get yourself into a discussion, you say something. Instead of backing it up you attempt to avoid that with something else, predictable!
You said something. And instead of backing it up, you're attempting to avoid it with something else.
Like I said earlier:
You made the accusation. Now back it up.
How can you not see your hypocrisy?
20 Oct 18
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@thinkofone saidVery self explanatory to me I will just go with the words as is. Now care to answer my questions?
If someone wants to know what I think the scripture means I can just say read it, you have to give your interpretation of it, without you no can know. You can ask my opinion on verses but I am not required for anyone to read and understand the scriptures.
C'mon KJ.
Based on what you've seemed to be saying in your posts over the years, there's no way you can ...[text shortened]... on sinning, because they have been born of God.
What is your understanding of the above passage?
20 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidI don't doubt it's "very self explanatory to [you]" and that you have formulated an understanding of it.
Very self explanatory to me I will just go with the words as is. Now care to answer my questions?
However I asked the following:
"What is your understanding of the above passage?"
In other words, I'm asking for you to TELL ME YOUR UNDERSTANDING. Did you really not understand the question?
20 Oct 18
@thinkofone saidRead the text and then answer my questions. I told you I take the text as is, it is you not me that has to interpret it into things you want and like, not me.
I don't doubt it's "very self explanatory to [you]" and that you have formulated an understanding of it.
However I asked the following:
"What is your understanding of the above passage?"
In other words, I'm asking for you to TELL ME YOUR UNDERSTANDING. Did you really not understand the question?
20 Oct 18
@thinkofone saidNo, you see I have already said, it means what it says, and says what it means.
I guess that I'm just going to have to take it that you refuse to TELL ME YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
You on the other hand have to enlighten others what text means, you reject some
you twist others, its all about you.
The thing is scripture actually frowns on your approach.
2 Peter 1:19-21 English Standard Version (ESV)
19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.