Absurd Escapism

Originally posted by FMF
This is 'gangster logic' and a deliberate distortion of words that have commonly understood meanings. You are describing things which are inherently unfair and simply declaring them to be fair.

If you say something is inherently 'unfair', does that mean there is a universal standard by which to judge that which is 'fair' and that which is not?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Assuming God exists, who defines what is evil? You or him?

You either believe murdering millions of people and not believing in the God are equally evil, or you don't. Your beliefs on these matters appear to render you hopelessly furtive.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Assuming God exists, who can better judge what is 'fair'? You or him?

You continue to dodge. Where is your definition of "justice"? Where is your definition of "fairness"? Contending that "justice" is simply something that you personally attach the label "justice" to, and that "fairness" is similarly just something you happen to attach the label "fair" to, are not definitions.

Originally posted by FMF
You either believe murdering millions of people and not believing in the God are equally evil, or you don't. Your beliefs on these matters appear to render you hopelessly furtive.

How do your personally differentiate between that which is evil and that which is not?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
How do your personally differentiate between that which is evil and that which is not?

For me it's a question of morality ~ in its briefest form: do not damage, do not deceive, do not coerce. Not being a believer in the notion that there is a 'supernatural force' called "evil", I would use the word "evil" to describe gratuitously or pathologically immoral acts that are seriously injurious to other people and rooted in an abject lack of empathy or compassion for others.

So, I've answered your question straight away, yet again, so how about mine? Do you actually believe murdering millions of people and not believing in the God are equally evil?

Originally posted by FMF
For me it's a question of morality ~ in its briefest form: do not damage, do not deceive, do not coerce. Not being a believer in the notion that there is a 'supernatural force' called "evil", I would use the word "evil" to describe gratuitously or pathologically immoral acts that are seriously injurious to other people and rooted in an abject lack of empathy or ...[text shortened]... you actually believe murdering millions of people and not believing in the God are equally evil?

'Immoral' acts according to whose moral law? If acts are not intrinsically evil it means they are merely 'evil', based upon the current subjective (ever changing) opinions of people or societies.

On the other hand, I believe actions can be intrinsically 'good' or 'evil'. That which is evil is 'sin' and originates from rebellion against God. So I cannot say one sin is worse than another sin. So how can one evil action be more evil than another evil action? They are evil. Period.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
'Immoral' acts according to whose moral law? If acts are not intrinsically evil it means they are merely 'evil', based upon the current subjective (ever changing) opinions of people or societies.

On the other hand, I believe actions can be intrinsically 'good' or 'evil'. That which is evil is 'sin' and originates from rebellion against God. So I cann ...[text shortened]... er sin. So how can one evil action be more evil than another evil action? They are evil. Period.

Morality is a set of laws, conditions, assumptions created by humans to govern their behaviour and interactions. For some people they think that these standards and rules have a supernatural source or backing. Moral standards differ. Cultures differ. Religions differ. Even Christian perceptions of morality differ. It's the human condition.

Be clear and unequivocal. Do you actually believe murdering millions of people and not believing in the God are equally evil?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
...I believe actions can be intrinsically 'good' or 'evil'. That which is evil is 'sin' and originates from rebellion against God. So I cannot say one sin is worse than another sin. So how can one evil action be more evil than another evil action? They are evil. Period.

So if you have looked at a person of the opposite sex with lust, which I believe you have admitted to in recent days, was that equally as evil as arranging for millions of people to be deported to death camps where they were murdered?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
That which is evil is 'sin' and originates from rebellion against God. So I cannot say one sin is worse than another sin.

So, from what you know about me based on our conversations here, do you believe that I am evil?

Originally posted by FMF
So if you have looked at a person of the opposite sex with lust, which I believe you have admitted to in recent days, was that [b]equally as evil as arranging for millions of people to be deported to death camps where they were murdered?[/b]

What makes you think something can be more or less evil? Who would measure that according to what standard? The Bible doesn't seem to indicate that one sinful act is more sinful than another sinful act does it?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What makes you think something can be more or less evil? Who would measure that according to what standard? The Bible doesn't seem to indicate that one sinful act is more sinful than another sinful act does it?

Maybe you could just answer the question point blank. You were asked whether, if you have looked at a person of the opposite sex with lust, would that make you equally as evil as Adolf Eichmann who helped murder millions of people. I'd appreciate an answer.

Originally posted by FMF
Maybe you could just answer the question point blank. You were asked whether, if you have looked at a person of the opposite sex with lust, would that make you equally as evil as Adolf Eichmann who helped murder millions of people. I'd appreciate an answer.

Maybe you should read what I post before you ask silly questions. I told you before that I don't believe in 'more evil' or 'less evil' for the same reason that I don't believe in 'more sinful' or 'less sinful'.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Maybe you should read what I post before you ask silly questions. I told you before that I don't believe in 'more evil' or 'less evil' for the same reason that I don't believe in 'more sinful' or 'less sinful'.

So can you just come out and state it clearly rather than couching it in rather silly questions that deliberately pay no heed to what you know I believe and don't believe and which ignore basic conventional definitions of words? Just come out and state categorically that you see yourself as equally as evil as someone who murdered millions of people.

Originally posted by sonship
I reserve the word "retribution" for something beyond man's improvement or correction. Retribution is the most serious dealing of God against sinners.

sonship, do you see yourself as equally evil as Adolf Eichmann was?

Originally posted by FMF
So can you just come out and state it clearly rather than couching it in rather silly questions that deliberately pay no heed to what you know I believe and don't believe and which ignore basic conventional definitions of words? Just come out and state categorically that you see yourself as equally as evil as someone who murdered millions of people.

Why do you think Paul said he was the chief of sinners? As long as you think you are better than other people the gospel won't make sense to you.