addiction is a choice

Originally posted by twhitehead
I did.

Repeat yourself please.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Many many degenerative conditions are a direct result of behaviour, including substance abuse.

I am not 'pinning' alcoholism on a disease. Alcoholism is a disease.

Behavior is a disease?

Originally posted by twhitehead
AIDS is the disease. It is the symptoms. HIV is the disease causing agent. You can get HIV and not have AIDS.

Having an infectious agent does not mean you have a disease, but having symptoms does?
But everything you ever do has symptoms. The stubbed toe, right.

Originally posted by apathist
I don't think so. Degenerative implies it gets worse, but a stubbed toe just naturally heals.

The stubbed to got worse when you stubbed it. Many diseases heal too. But you are generally correct that we typically distinguish between injury and disease by the pattern of degeneration. If you stubbed your toe every day, it might be considered a disease.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I am not 'pinning' alcoholism on a disease. Alcoholism is a disease.

lol can you hear yourself

Clearly you pin alcoholism on the 'disease' of what now.

Originally posted by apathist
Having an infectious agent does not mean you have a disease, but having symptoms does?

Correct. A disease is the symptoms not the agent.

Originally posted by apathist
Repeat yourself please.

You are soooooo lazy.

Addiction is not drinking. If someone stops drinking they do not stop being addicted.

Originally posted by apathist
lol can you hear yourself

Yes, but you apparently cannot. Try taking the wax out of your ears or the logs out of your eyes and actually read my posts.

Clearly you pin alcoholism on the 'disease' of what now.
No, I do not.

Originally posted by apathist
Behavior is a disease?

No. What gave you that idea? Learn to read.

Originally posted by twhitehead
If you stubbed your toe every day, it might be considered a disease.

Clumsiness is a disease?

Originally posted by twhitehead
No. What gave you that idea? Learn to read.

I responded to your words with a question. It is becoming clear that you expound here without much aforethought. You are helping to convince that the disease model of addiction does not make sense, so thank you.

Originally posted by apathist
Clumsiness is a disease?

It might be if it is severe enough.

Originally posted by apathist
I responded to your words with a question.

Your question demonstrated that you have not read my posts.

It is becoming clear that you expound here without much aforethought.
Speak for yourself.

You are helping to convince that the disease model of addiction does not make sense, so thank you.
You are demonstrating that you are desperate to hang on to your claim despite all evidence or argument to the contrary.

Originally posted by apathist
Behavior is a disease?

You still haven't looked up 'addiction' yet have you?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Clearly you pin alcoholism on the 'disease' of what now.
No, I do not.

You claim alcoholism is a disease, but alcoholism is not due to disease.

Tip for the day: when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.