08 Sep 09
Originally posted by whodeyI don't think they are the only religion that has leaders like this. I've heard christian preachers in the US preach some pretty terrible things including having all homosexuals killed - they just don't really get the headlines.
So the question begs as to why it seems only Islam has religious leaders like this.
I think it's partly that in some of the countries where these leaders are there just isn't any significant push-back against them. That doesn't mean that everyone agrees -but these people could have enough power that if you do speak against them in that country you could be in trouble.
There are a whole host of reasons.
08 Sep 09
Originally posted by PsychoPawnI have heard of people like this so I am inclined to think they DO get the headlines. I think the major difference is that large numbers don't exist nor are their organized groups out their with the mission of killing them off. Of course, there have been "killings" in the past, but for the most part random and few and far between at best. Of course, as the body count rises so must the inquiry as to why. In addition, I feel it is the responsibility of every "shepherd"/pastor to talk about these things and condemn them.
I don't think they are the only religion that has leaders like this. I've heard christian preachers in the US preach some pretty terrible things including having all homosexuals killed - they just don't really get the headlines.
I think it's partly that in some of the countries where these leaders are there just isn't any significant push-back against ...[text shortened]... ainst them in that country you could be in trouble.
There are a whole host of reasons.
08 Sep 09
The young man I work with is a Muslim He would not hurt a fly! He gets excited when talking about God with me. Another co-worker called him a terrorist & He was very upset. He was like dude it gives Islam a bad name because of the terrorist. He says he loves being an American. I believe him.
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08 Sep 09
Ok , I haven't read all the posts here but just wanted to say that christianity and islam have both had a violent history. Why say one is worse than the other? We can not move forward with violence still part of our culture.
Note: No bhuddist priest has ever blessed or condoned a war as far as I know, whereas, for example, the pope was hedging his bets at the start of WW2, not knowing which side was going to win. So he went and blessed both sides just in case 😛
08 Sep 09
Originally posted by menace71As Daniel 58 pointed out, there are even militant monks that carry on with violence to achieve their ends, but to tar the whole lot of monks with that brush is surley folly!!!
Yeah I know it's dramatized but that movie Kingdom of Heaven was good.
Showing how war like the crusaders were. (I know not all Christians believe like the crusaders did)I like how Saladin allowed the Christians a chance to leave Jerusalem.
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08 Sep 09
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIn your rush to accuse me and maintain your position of righteous superiority you make the assumption that I include all Muslims in the generalisation "it's always Muslims"; I mix with and know many lovely Muslim people; but they aren't the problem are they! You continue to maintain your pious stance by attacking my generalisation if you want to, (I admit it was a generalisation - but that was obvious wasn't it?)
Surely somewhere in the far recesses of your mind you must realize that it is not the word "maniac" that is at issue. Not that I'd normally choose that word, but all intentional killing is done by "maniacs". They are "maniacs" first and only. Why don't you just leave it at that?
These are the types of statements made by bigots:
"It's always Muslims
The first is blatantly false.
The second is a demonstration of ignorance.
The evidence is clear regarding which religious group terrorises the west; clear to anyone who chooses to take a cursory glance that is, (I can't believe I even have to point that out!). If you choose to ignore the facts or simply can't see them from your lofty position, then that is your selective blindness and naivety.
08 Sep 09
Originally posted by divegeesterAnd the evidence is clear as to which religious group terrorizes the east. But your origional generalization said nothing about 'terrorizing the west'. It was therefore an attempt to incite bigotry as correctly pointed out by ThinkOfOne in the second post in this thread.
The evidence is clear regarding which religious group terrorises the west; clear to anyone who chooses to take a cursory glance that is, (I can't believe I even have to point that out!). If you choose to ignore the facts or simply can't see them from your lofty position, then that is your selective blindness and naivety.
I am sure you knew that your original post would be interpreted as "all maniacs who get locked up are Muslims" and your intent was for people to start to then believe "all Muslims are maniacs who should be locked up".
Do you admit that there are a significant number of Christians who are violent maniacs?
Do you admit that there are a significant number of Christians who engage in terrorism?
Do you admit that it would be very hard to evaluate which religion has a more violent history?
I notice you mix with and know many Muslims but have not mentioned any friends who are Muslim. If you showed them your original post, do you think that any of the Muslims you know would be offended?
08 Sep 09
Originally posted by Proper Knobno way, closet atheists like Stalin are way more prolific.
Didn't George Bush, a fundamentalist Christian, claim that God told him to end the tyranny in Iraq and Afghanistan?
If we're talking about a Christian Muslim death scale here, i would say the Christians are well into the lead at the moment.