24 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe article asserts that masturbation can [and frequently does] lead into homosexuality. I think this is patently absurd. Homosexuality can lead to mutual sex play, of course. The article has got it the wrong way around. I understand fully your obligation to defend it.
so lets get this, seeking out others for sex play or mutual masturbation never leads to
homosexuality and its absurd to think that it does, yeah shining bright FMF, shining
bright!
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by galveston75Homosexuality is a scourge? You are losing me man. Its a choice that man/woman is free to make. I don't have to like it, but I don't condemn them.
I only saw this headline today on AOL and as a Christian I am very interested in the Last Days that the Bible describes and is happeneing now. This scurge of homosexuality is off the scale and I wanted to share this article I saw today. I know some here will not agree that any of this is wrong and that in itself proves the moral decline and the times we live in.
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by galveston75No I don't "accept" murder. Do you equate murder with homosexuality?
Yes. But seeing how many do not agree with the Bible and God's views that usually doesn't happen.
But if one who gets the point of God's view and sees the wrong in it then they should condemn the actions.
Do you accept murder?
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by galveston75What a ludicrous comparison. Murder?! Are you serious?
Yes. But seeing how many do not agree with the Bible and God's views that usually doesn't happen.
But if one who gets the point of God's view and sees the wrong in it then they should condemn the actions.
Do you accept murder?
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFSo your opinion vs a well respected study? Ok, your right.
The article asserts that masturbation can [and frequently does] lead into homosexuality. I think this is patently absurd. Homosexuality can lead to mutual sex play, of course. The article has got it the wrong way around. I understand fully your obligation to defend it.
24 Dec 11
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Originally posted by FMFThe watchtower in general is a well respected publication? Millions subscribe to playboy too, is that well respected? Your publication is based on the view of your "Elders". The leaders of your church use this publication as a guidline of YOUR religion. It is their opinion, not fact.
"Watchtower 1973 Sep 15 pp.564-5 Breaking Free of Self-Abuse-Why? How?" is a well respected study?
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by FMFSorry that was a typo. I meant thievery. The scripture I'm referring to is at:
No I don't "accept" murder. Do you equate murder with homosexuality?
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. 11 Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Pretty clear about a lot of things that God will never accept. Homosexuality is very clearly stated here as well as many other scriptures.
24 Dec 11
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Originally posted by FMFthe article does not state that masturbation leads to homosexuality on its own, the
The article asserts that masturbation can [and frequently does] lead into homosexuality. I think this is patently absurd. Homosexuality can lead to mutual sex play, of course. The article has got it the wrong way around. I understand fully your obligation to defend it.
whole premise of the statement is qualified, beginning with the conjunctive Or
(demonstrating an entirely different premise to that of introversion), and is qualified by
seeking another with which to masturbate. You are being intellectually dishonest to
state otherwise, but then again, that is what we have come to expect in spirituality it
seems. Bosse de Nage recognised it for what it is as can anyone who reads it, your
insistence that the article states that masturbation on ones own, that is, by oneself,
leads to homosexuality is simply a falsehood and your insistence on perpetuating the
charade is pathetic in the original sense of the word.
24 Dec 11
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Originally posted by galveston75oops, adultery is on that list. looks like most christians are out. but female prostitutes... they're not on the list!
Sorry that was a typo. I meant thievery. The scripture I'm referring to is at:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice h ...[text shortened]... will never accept. Homosexuality is very clearly stated here as well as many other scriptures.
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by usmc7257Actually its based on the Bible, just to note, we did not write the Bible, FYI.
The watchtower in general is a well respected publication? Millions subscribe to playboy too, is that well respected? Your publication is based on the view of your "Elders". The leaders of your church use this publication as a guidline of YOUR religion. It is their opinion, not fact.
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by galveston75The homosexuals need help to overcome their abnormality, but so do all
Sorry that was a typo. I meant thievery. The scripture I'm referring to is at:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice h ...[text shortened]... will never accept. Homosexuality is very clearly stated here as well as many other scriptures.
of us in one way or another. Orignal sin has tainted the human race
with a virus that affects us all. The theory of evolution will not help us,
for there is no evolution. Only the creator Himself knows enough to
save us from eventual destruction and extinction.
24 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis section of the article:
the article does not state that masturbation leads to homosexuality on its own, the
whole premise of the statement is qualified, beginning with the conjunctive Or
(demonstrating an entirely different premise to that of introversion), and is qualified by
seeking another with which to masturbate. You are being intellectually dishonest to
state ...[text shortened]... and your insistence on perpetuating the
charade is pathetic in the original sense of the word.
Because the practice is one "contrary to nature," the masturbator pays a mental penalty. The habitual practice cripples his social and emotional development, hinders his attaining a healthful outlook and attitude toward the other sex and toward people in general. It can 'turn the person inward' upon himself, making him introverted. Or it can, and frequently does, lead into homosexuality, in which the person, not satisfied with his lonely sexual activity, seeks a partner for mutual sex play. ...
...is ludicrous.
It is homosexuality which leads to homosexual acts such as mutual masturbation. Seeking another of the same sex with whom to masturbate is a function of the homosexuality of those involved, not a function of the masturbation. The article has got it completely the wrong way around.