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Originally posted by Penguin
I really opened up a can of worms there! I was not making myself clear at all was I?

I was just being pedantic, honest!

You are anything but pedantic. If you don't write in a clear faschion, don't expect us to read your mind.

...honest. 🙂

Originally posted by Penguin
Ouch Fabian,

Science and religion are both attempts to make sense of the universe and our presence in it. As such, they [b]do overlap.

If we can't trust experiments done on the supernatural, how can we trust those done on the natural? Since God is able to manipulate matter without regard for the normal laws of physics (miracles), we must assume his ...[text shortened]... it an extra little push.

If you wish to respond, please start a new thread.

--- Penguin.[/b]

Ouch again, Penguin?

Religion and science don't overlap. Science deals with natural laws of physics. Religion deals with anything super-natural phenomena. The two domains *do not* overlap there. Crisp as corn-flakes.

Where science fail to explain, religion explains. Science fails to explain the existance of a god, fails to explian the holy trinity, fails to explain life after death, and such things. Religion, on the other hand cannot explain evolution, BigBang, string theory, gravitation, and such. And why? They belong to separate domains.

Let's go to gravitation again. Do we agree that the gravitational constant really is constant? Can you pray for some deviation? Measurable deviation? No, you cannot. Can science make a person walk on water? Yes it can. Just freeze the water and we can all walk on water, NHL does it on a regular basis, believe it or not. As Jesus didn't have freeze technology, if he did it must take a miracle. However, in the domain of science there is no place for miracles, for that it takes relgion to believe.

I still say that religion and science never can mix. Noone has convinced me on anything else. Only opinions of the oposite rules. Nothing more. But I am open to a debate.

Ouch.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Ouch again, Penguin?

Religion and science don't overlap. Science deals with natural laws of physics. Religion deals with anything super-natural phenomena. The two domains *do not* overlap there. Crisp as corn-flakes.

Where science fail to explain, religion explains. Science fails to explain the existance of a god, fails to explian the holy trinity, ...[text shortened]... g else. Only opinions of the oposite rules. Nothing more. But I am open to a debate.

Ouch.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Religion and science don't overlap.
If only their respective advocates realised that.

Where science fail to explain, religion explains.
I don't think religion is in the business of explaining so much as providing a narrative, and I think that's different.

But I am open to a debate.
Really? Let's see.

Originally posted by Lord Shark
But I am open to a debate.
Really? Let's see.

[/b]I am, truly. Never declined a good debate. When the debate gets ugly, then I withdraw. So no name calling, no attacks, then we can have a good little debate where we can learn thoughts from eachother and make us two winners, even the spectators.

So would you like to give me a case where religion and science overlap?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I am, truly. Never declined a good debate. When the debate gets ugly, then I withdraw. So no name calling, no attacks, then we can have a good little debate where we can learn thoughts from eachother and make us two winners, even the spectators.

So would you like to give me a case where religion and science overlap?[/b]

Ok, so you're saying no butting, holding, scratching or below the belt stuff? That's fair.

Now before I give any cases I think we should try to agree what is meant by 'overlap' and the success criteria for establishing that this has happened.

I think science comprises a family of methods for finding out about the world, whereas religion furnishes a community of adherents with narratives which serve various functions. These processes are as different as, say propositional logic and dance, so there should be no overlap.

Stephen J. Gould gave this a snappy acronym NOMA (as I'm sure you know). My problem with the notion has always been this: mutual trespass by the practitioners within each domain. That and that they're not really magisteria.

What say you?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]Firstly, as a paying member of this site i'll post where i want to post thanks.

Thats a lame response

Originally posted by RBHILL
Thats a lame response

Thanks for your input.

Originally posted by realeyez
Before I started going to church I believed in everything else I study 11 different religions at the same same time which includes black magic. I did this for six years and I started to see things. Demons to be exact. I became a mental mess. I couldnt sleep, bruises would form on my body without reason. It was hell in a sence. Til one day when I was despara ...[text shortened]... I dont drink, I was not high for any of these events. Feel free to ask any questions you have.

Ever heard of Mike Warnke?

Originally posted by realeyez
Before I started going to church I believed in everything else I study 11 different religions at the same same time which includes black magic. I did this for six years and I started to see things. Demons to be exact. I became a mental mess. I couldnt sleep, bruises would form on my body without reason. It was hell in a sence. Til one day when I was despara ...[text shortened]... I dont drink, I was not high for any of these events. Feel free to ask any questions you have.

You know in your heart what your story means to you. If you say it was true then I believe you, why not?
Now when you say "demon" and when you say"Jesus" you think know what you are talking about?,I'm not so sure. But the energies asccoiated with that experience do sound very transformative🙂

No questions for now🙂

Originally posted by realeyez
One story while at church a friend of mine her name is Loreda, had cancer. She got into the prayer line, because she had a meeting with her Doctor the next. The church prayed and laid hands etc. The next day the doctor could not find the cancer and she was cure. Cancer free ever since. I admit I do have others but they do sound crazy and made up. They are n ...[text shortened]... have seen some very dark things stuff you see in movies, and prayer (from some else got me thru)

If it works dont change it, that congregration must have a bit of energy.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Ever heard of Mike Warnke?

No I have not please imform me.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
If it works dont change it, that congregration must have a bit of energy.

Were small but strong with a lot of faith. What about yourself do you have any beliefs if not dont worry Im not going to try to argue points or say your going to hell blah blah blah. That stuff gets on my nerve. People who do that just makes me wanna pull my hair out.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
If you were my son, i would've taken you to the psychiatrist.

Thanks for proving my point. As I have stated earlier to someone within this chat room concercerning this subject, the of immaturity by most people is shocking. Unable to cumminicate without insults. What I said to you I meant. I am glad you sleep well, and you did sound angry, which was not my goal. From your response you dont wish me the same.

That's ok I have a great life, wife, child, and more things in my possession then I'll ever need. Also on a side note it must be easy to make a negitive statement to someone you'll never meet. It takes very little courage to do that. If your ever in Renton Washington, look me up. I'll repeat that please, look me up. I am a man that if I have something to say I will say it to there face. You must hold your. I'm tempted now, how can we contact each other for a more personal talk. posting it here is wide open no need to have everyone see. Do you live in Renton Washington by chance? or ever visit?

I'm sure you'll say something smart back, but at least I know you only talk cause your not in my face. Me complete opposite. Remember thats Renton Washington, send me a message should you ever visit. ok now go get yourself that good sleep knowing what I said is true.





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Originally posted by realeyez
Thanks for proving my point. As I have stated earlier to someone within this chat room concercerning this subject, the of immaturity by most people is shocking. Unable to cumminicate without insults. What I said to you I meant. I am glad you sleep well, and you did sound angry, which was not my goal. From your response you dont wish me the same.

That's ...[text shortened]... isit. ok now go get yourself that good sleep knowing what I said is true.





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Hey, we're neighbors! I'm in Seattle. How'd you like the heat the past few days?

Originally posted by realeyez
Thanks for proving my point. As I have stated earlier to someone within this chat room concercerning this subject, the of immaturity by most people is shocking. Unable to cumminicate without insults. What I said to you I meant. I am glad you sleep well, and you did sound angry, which was not my goal. From your response you dont wish me the same.

That's ...[text shortened]... isit. ok now go get yourself that good sleep knowing what I said is true.





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Why was that necessarily an insult?