@divegeester saidWell, read it; what points do you think I need to meditate on?
I’ll go further than this article below and assert that defending the deliberate eternal torture of vast swathes of the human race is only possible through a state of mental illness. But be that as it may; the below is an excellent blog about one man’s mental struggle to hold in his mind opposing and conflicting moral extremes. I sincerely recommend reading it all.
ht ...[text shortened]... g, you will discover that the good news is a whole lot better than you might have ever imagined.[/i]
@kellyjay saidYes, it felt real to me and it permeated my life as if it were real. I clearly did feel it was worth "looking into" and I did care. Now you say "that doesn't fly with Christ".
If you tell me it was real for you and that it was as real to you as it is to me, that doesn't fly with Christ.
If that is so, why did you say: "If someone... doesn't feel like it's worth looking into, doesn't care, it's on them"?
If it's just a string of words you didn't think about carefully as you typed hastily, and don't particularly want to stand by them now, then just say so, and I can drop it.
@fmf saidIf you and I were friends who lived next to one another 20 years ago, and today I deny I ever knew you 20 years ago, as a true statement! Would I be telling the truth?
Yes, it felt real to me and it permeated my life as if it were real. I clearly did feel it was worth "looking into" and I did care. Now you say "that doesn't fly with Christ".
If that is so, why did you say: "If someone... doesn't feel like it's worth looking into, doesn't care, it's on them"?
If it's just a string of words you didn't think about carefully as you typed hastily, and don't particularly want to stand by them now, then just say so, and I can drop it.
@kellyjay saidThis form of "knowing someone" here in the lives we live is totally different from the "knowing someone" [i.e. Jesus] that occurs with faith. This makes your analogy a dud ~ and borderline sophistry, in fact, to my way of thinking.
If you and I were friends who lived next to one another 20 years ago, and today I deny I ever knew you 20 years ago, as a true statement! Would I be telling the truth?
@divegeester saidIf I define God is love this way, this text means this, and if I define God is love that way, the text means that it is not how you define any text. You take any topic, look at everything that is said, and look for what the text is saying, not trying to force anything in or out of the meaning of the words used. I'm not interested in how it makes me feel if that is what you mean by speaking to me; I'm interested in are the Biblical points valid, and I don't think all of his were.
If you read it and none of it honestly speaks to you in any way, then so be it.
@kellyjay saidHere is your weak analogy:
If you and I were friends who lived next to one another 20 years ago, and today I deny I ever knew you 20 years ago, as a true statement! Would I be telling the truth?
If you and I were friends who lived next to one another 20 years ago, and today I deny I ever knew you 20 years ago, as a true statement! Would I be telling the truth?
Let's unpack this.
Allow me to interchange a few elements of the analogy to bring it closer to something related to what we are talking about:
If [I believed in Jesus] 20 years ago, and today I deny I [believed in Jesus] 20 years ago, as a true statement! Would I be telling the truth?
My answer: No.
@kellyjay saidAs I said you are free you exercise your “old wineskin” attitude and not read anything which challenges your handed down dogmas.
If I define God is love this way, this text means this, and if I define God is love that way, the text means that it is not how you define any text. You take any topic, look at everything that is said, and look for what the text is saying, not trying to force anything in or out of the meaning of the words used. I'm not interested in how it makes me feel if that is what you m ...[text shortened]... speaking to me; I'm interested in are the Biblical points valid, and I don't think all of his were.
@kellyjay saidAnyway I will ask you yet again… are you permitted to teach in your local church?
If I define God is love this way, this text means this, and if I define God is love that way, the text means that it is not how you define any text. You take any topic, look at everything that is said, and look for what the text is saying, not trying to force anything in or out of the meaning of the words used. I'm not interested in how it makes me feel if that is what you m ...[text shortened]... speaking to me; I'm interested in are the Biblical points valid, and I don't think all of his were.
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Why are you holding Kellyjay under your thumb grilling him if he is permitted to teach in his congregation?
If his answer is NO, does that him unqualified to explain something of the Gospel to you?
If he answsers YES, does that add to his qualification to explain something to you about the Gospel.
Is your intention to taunt him that he is in a clergy / laity system and not "credentialed" as in a clerical class of professionally educated "teachers?" ... so he should have any confidence to teach you anything about the Christian faith?
I think you tried this little gimmick on me -
IE. "Sonship are you officially ordained asigned the position to TEACH in your church? What authority are you endowed with officially to explain anything about the Bible? "
We pracrtice what we would call "ALL SAINTS PROPHESYING" meetings.
We in the local churches believe in the priesthood of the believer - the universal priesthood. Like a Quaker meeting somewhat when all present are allowed to speak something. Or sometyhing like a heavenly "Jury Duty" where all jurists around the table may speak up.
Anyway, whether he is permitted to "teach" in any regard is irrelevant to his being able to teach you or me or anyone else here something about the Christian faith.
Do I grill you and ask you if you have a funny turned around collar?
Do I ask you if you have some initials before your name?
@fmf saidIt is a simple question.
This form of "knowing someone" here in the lives we live is totally different from the "knowing someone" [i.e. Jesus] that occurs with faith. This makes your analogy a dud ~ and borderline sophistry, in fact, to my way of thinking.
@sonship saidBecause he like both you and Jospehw are mouthpieces for your own dogmas and your own churches know it. Old wineskins full of nothing but old bones and dry twigs. None of you have anything to say which would liberate the lost.
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Why are you holding Kellyjay under your thumb grilling him if he is permitted to teach in his congregation?
Your churches know this, so you are not permitted to teach. Instead you pretend to hold to this doctrine of death, of eternal torture.