Believing in hell is bad for your mental health

@fmf said
I did believe Jesus was real. Very real. It permeated every single moment and aspect of my life. There is absolutely no contradiction or deceit involved in stating that. The fact that I lost my faith does not mean the belief that I was "walking with Him" was not very real to me at that time.

If at the time you realized you were not walking with Him, so now you can deny it all and say no one could really do that, it simply reveals your so-called beliefs didn't have anything real about them; it was all between your ears, you were just in a crowd that did religious things for religious reasons, in His name. Which you now proclaim as truth, one was a feeling in your past, and one is reality your present, truth doesn't contradict itself you either you were, or you were not, God is either real, or He is not.

@kellyjay said
If at the time you realized you were not walking with Him, so now you can deny it all and say no one could really do that, it simply reveals your so-called beliefs didn't have anything real about them

Of course, they were real to me.

@fmf said
Of course, they were real to me.

That says it was between your ears, was it real in reality?

@kellyjay said
you were just in a crowd that did religious things for religious reasons, in His name.

You're reaching through your computer screen again and, to me anyway, making a fool of yourself. Do you really need to project your prickly defensive scenarios onto me, KellyJay?

@kellyjay said
That says it was between your ears, was it real in reality?

All your religion is "between your ears", KellyJay. All you ever do here on this forum, as is true of all of us, is talk about what is "between your ears".

@kellyjay said
Which you now proclaim as truth, one was a feeling in your past, and one is reality your present, truth doesn't contradict itself you either you were, or you were not, God is either real, or He is not.

Well, I lost my faith, KellyJay. I know exactly what my faith was and I know exactly what your faith is. You're asking me, an atheist, to respond to "God is either real, or He is not"? It's as if today is the very first time you have talked to me.

@kellyjay said
If at the time you realized you were not walking with Him, so now you can deny it all and say no one could really do that.

If at the time you realized you were not walking with Him, so now you can deny it all and say no one could really do that.

I do not "deny" that others can believe what I used to believe and feel that it is real, just like I used to feel it was real. I have not said people cannot do that. You are making stuff up.

@fmf said
All your religion is "between your ears", KellyJay. All you ever do here on this forum, as is true of all of us, is talk about what is "between your ears".

What we accept as true will always between accepted between our ears, but that is not what I'm talking about. Reality is real regardless of our beliefs between our ears; what is true will be true, false, or false regardless of what we believe between our ears.

Therefore if God is real, no matter who believes in Him is getting that part right; if He is not real, no matter who believes in Him is getting that part wrong. The same thing is true if He is not real, those who deny him or reject every belief are correct, and all of those who accept Him are getting that wrong.

That is not the discussion; I don't care what you used to think was true; you can believe in anything you want, but that thing you believed in back then was it real, or not? You want it both ways by saying only what we think matters and it does not. If you only accept reality because you think it is so, then nothing outside of you matters, only what you think about it. We cannot be shown we are wrong if right is only defined by what we think because we can believe in lies and errors, and even if the truth is right in front of us, by the definitions, then only those things we have in our minds matter, therefore we can deny whatever we want.

You can say I was walking with God back then, and now I don't believe in God those are two different truth statements, they cannot be true at the same time, it is a contradiction.

@kellyjay said
What we accept as true will always between accepted between our ears, but that is not what I'm talking about. Reality is real regardless of our beliefs between our ears; what is true will be true, false, or false regardless of what we believe between our ears.

Your perceptions and opinion about supernatural "truth" and "reality" are 100% between your ears, KellyJay. Your assertions are just subjective opinions. They come from between your ears, down through your fingers, and onto my PC screen. They have no bearing on what is real and what isn't real.

@kellyjay said
Therefore if God is real, no matter who believes in Him is getting that part right; if He is not real, no matter who believes in Him is getting that part wrong.

I know that you believe your God figure is real and that the Bible is true. I used to have the same God figure and believe in the same Bible.

@kellyjay said
I don't care what you used to think was true; you can believe in anything you want, but that thing you believed in back then was it real, or not?

It seemed very, very real to me "back then", just as it seems very, very real to you now.