20 Aug 13
Originally posted by divegeesterWho says we are all hopelessly evil? Not me..... That's why it is not up to us to deside as we are not a judge of humans. Only God and his son can do that...
I don't understand im afraid, if we are all "hopelessly evil" to the point that god knows that none of us would listen to Noah and board the ark, then how can we ever do the good that is required for us to get into either your version of the afterlife or become one of Gaveston75's "deserving"?
23 Aug 13
Originally posted by VelnsIt did not matter how many people would want to get on the Ark. God was not going to allow those people who were continually thinking evil thoughts on the Ark. God determined who He wanted to build the Ark and who and what would be on the Ark. God even had the animals come to the Ark. So it was not necessary for Noah to travel to gather the animals.
Do you think god knew how many people would want to get on Noah's ark or do you think it was up for grabs?
The Instructor
23 Aug 13
Originally posted by RJHindsSo you are saying that there was no hope of repentance for those who drowned?
It did not matter how many people would want to get on the Ark. God was not going to allow those people who were continually thinking evil thoughts on the Ark. God determined who He wanted to build the Ark and who and what would be on the Ark. God even had the animals come to the Ark. So it was not necessary for Noah to travel to gather the animals.
The Instructor
23 Aug 13
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Originally posted by menace71This is the kind of comment that rightly leads the unbelieving public to conclude that Christians don't know what they talking... And you cannot blame them. The Bible says no such thing.
They believe that Noah preached to the people during his days of building the Ark but that they the people mocked him.
Manny
The bible said the people were evil and God decided that he had no choice but to destroy everything and start afresh with Noah and family.
24 Aug 13
Originally posted by VelnsI don't believe the Holy Bible says that people will get a second chance to repent. I think that might contradict the following:
So you are saying that there was no hope of repentance for those who drowned?
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
(Hebrews 9:27 KJV)
The Instructor
25 Aug 13
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Originally posted by VelnsNone but the 8 that went into the ark showed any repentance for anything and didn't seem to show much interest other then the mocking of Noah.
So you are saying that there was no hope of repentance for those who drowned?
Will they be resurrected in the future? Only Jehovah and his son know this.
"While it is true that Christ’s ransom sacrifice was given for mankind in general, Jesus indicated that its actual application nevertheless would be limited when he said: “Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.” (Mt 20:28) Jehovah God has the right to refuse to accept a ransom for anyone he deems unworthy. Christ’s ransom covers the sins an individual has because of being a child of sinful Adam, but a person can add to that by his own deliberate, willful course of sin, and he can thus die for such sin that is beyond coverage by the ransom.
Sin against the holy spirit.
Jesus Christ said that one who sinned against the holy spirit would not be forgiven in the present system of things nor in that to come. (Mt 12:31, 32) A person whom God judged as having sinned against the holy spirit in the present system of things would therefore not profit by a resurrection, since his sins would never be forgiven, making resurrection useless for him. Jesus uttered judgment against Judas Iscariot in calling him “the son of destruction.” The ransom would not apply to him, and his destruction already being a judicially established judgment, he would not receive a resurrection.—Joh 17:12.
To his opposers, the Jewish religious leaders, Jesus said: “How are you to flee from the judgment of Gehenna [a symbol of everlasting destruction]?” (Mt 23:33; see GEHENNA.) His words indicate that these persons, if they did not take action to turn to God before their death, would have a final adverse judgment entered against them. If so, a resurrection would accomplish nothing for them. This would also appear to be true of “the man of lawlessness.”—2Th 2:3, 8
25 Aug 13
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I think my question has been lost in the recent exchanges. On page 4 of this thread Galveston75 said in response to me asking if he thought his church was the only true way to the afterlife....
Galveston75 said :What has history shown? Did not something very simular accure with Noah and the flood? What happened to those who did not heed the warnings that Noah gave for decades? Do you think God only wanted those eight to live thru the flood?
On reading the last piece of his post about God wanting others repenting and living through the flood, I became curious if he or other people therefore wondered why God told Noah to make the ark of such a limited size, and what would have happened if Noah woke up on the day before the rain with several thousand people knocking on the door to repent.
So far none of the Christians or JWs have answered this question and Galveston75 has been avoiding doing so despite me reminding him a few times. It is a serious question for those interested.
25 Aug 13
Originally posted by VelnsMy answer from page #5:
I think my question has been lost in the recent exchanges. On page 4 of this thread Galveston75 said in response to me asking if he thought his church was the only true way to the afterlife....
Galveston75 said :[b]What has history shown? Did not something very simular accure with Noah and the flood? What happened to those who did not heed the warnings that ...[text shortened]... ng doing so despite me reminding him a few times. It is a serious question for those interested.
" The Bible explains that God is the reader of hearts. He knows more then any human could possibly know about any of us, even ourselves.
So he knew that all of mankind was bad with no hope, but he still loved all humans as he is the creater of all. I guess as any parent would be with a wicked child, their is always hope that one could change and that is why he had Noah give warnings to all that he could about the impending flood. If he didn't care, why the effort he asked Noah to do this?
If even one other human or a thousand did somehow have a change of heart, God would have had no problem in protecting them from the flood."