06 Apr 21
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@kevcvs57 saidYou may use that argument if you like. I see it as 1) letting the adversary control the terms of the debate and 2) not getting to the heart of the issue.
No your right homosexuals do seem to be born that way and as you point out so do some mentally ill people.
However the ‘born that way’ defence should not be abandoned when discussing the subject with Christians or any other religious group. If they believe that God created us then they have to accept that God created homosexuals and psychopaths.
It goes to their claim abou ...[text shortened]... y to treat them with as much respect as they can whilst protecting wider society from their actions.
06 Apr 21
@bigdoggproblem saidI would say exactly the opposite because it’s an argument that is impossible for the adversary to answer whilst maintaining their own internal logic.
You may use that argument if you like. I see it as 1) letting the adversary control the terms of the debate and 2) not getting to the heart of the issue.
As I say it’s only use is as a rebuffing of the ‘it’s not natural argument’ put forward by some Christians who try to find support for their biblically based judgement in a misuse of the term ‘natural’.
06 Apr 21
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@divegeester saidWell I was trying to point out that an agnostic or atheist cannot and should not argue for not discriminating against gay people or any other self identified group by even trying to appeal to the book that is the root source their discrimination and bigotry.
Okay. I think you may be addressing your post me under a misunderstanding that I’m defending the victimisation of homosexuals. I’m simple pointing to what written in the Bible as being that which informs many Christians of what attitude to adopt with homosexuals.
But if they want to tie themselves in knots trying to make a real world argument from a fictional account of reality they are more than welcome to go blue in the face with it.
@kevcvs57 saidGays are their own worse enemy. God is against them and although that means nothing to an atheist, in real life one can observe the dire consequences and end result of ignoring God. Some time in the 80s the gays started NAMBLA, a pedophile organization with the aim of legalising gay sex between boys and men. Since that time there have been a string of negative activities associated with the promotion of their cause. Now the latest fiasco is that they are encouraging children as young a 5 to explore their sexuality and sexual preferences by encouraging them to decide whether or not they would like to have a sex change. There are even schools with these sickos trying to encourage kids to do this. So while there are some gays who are using their freedom to live and marry as they please and are even accepted by society, there are many disgusting ones [that need a bullet in their head], who are pushing for encouraging kids to adopt their damned lifestyle.
Well I was trying to point out that an agnostic or atheist cannot and should not argue for not discriminating against gay people or any other self identified group by even trying to appeal to the book that is the root source their discrimination and bigotry.
But if they want to tie themselves in knots trying to make a real world argument from a fictional account of reality they are more than welcome to go blue in the face with it.
06 Apr 21
@rajk999 saidYou got issues Rajk999. I hope you can settle your ghosts and approach life with love in your heart at some point in the future.
Gays are their own worse enemy. God is against them and although that means nothing to an atheist, in real life one can observe the dire consequences and end result of ignoring God. Some time in the 80s the gays started NAMBLA, a pedophile organization with the aim of legalising gay sex between boys and men. Since that time there have been a string of negative activities a ...[text shortened]... need a bullet in their head], who are pushing for encouraging kids to adopt their damned lifestyle.
06 Apr 21
@avalanchethecat saidEveryone in the world has issues. Your failure to address the points made is obvious because you resort to speaking about me. I never discuss you. I speak about the issue at hand. Try it.
You got issues Rajk999. I hope you can settle your ghosts and approach life with love in your heart at some point in the future.
06 Apr 21
@avalanchethecat saidThe issue at hand. Discuss that. Typical signs of a failed attempt to argue a point is discussing the man and ignoring the issues.
What are you on about?
06 Apr 21
@avalanchethecat saidThere you go, playing the man, because the issues which I have raised are beyond your understanding
The issue at hand is your unexplained intolerance of homosexual men.
07 Apr 21
@rajk999 saidWhat a surprise rak is more fascist than Christian 😊 who knew 🤷🏻♂️
Gays are their own worse enemy. God is against them and although that means nothing to an atheist, in real life one can observe the dire consequences and end result of ignoring God. Some time in the 80s the gays started NAMBLA, a pedophile organization with the aim of legalising gay sex between boys and men. Since that time there have been a string of negative activities a ...[text shortened]... need a bullet in their head], who are pushing for encouraging kids to adopt their damned lifestyle.
The opposition to Rajk999's religious beliefs is now well and truly in the domain of his supposed thoughtcrimes.
He said that he doesn't have any objection to sitting down with gay people and sharing a meal and a drink and a conversation ~ or certainly doesn't because they are gay.
So there is that.
Specifically, what policies and ideologies popular and emerging, radical or otherwise, on "the left" that relate to matters of sexuality, gender, children etc, must he endorse or condone in order to satisfy those who do not share but do criticize his religious beliefs?
He listed some concerns. Nobody addressed them. Suddenly it was about his thoughtcrimes and no one delved into his concerns.
Does it go without saying that he must simply accept and condone anything and everything that is going on?
07 Apr 21
@kevcvs57 saidHere we go again. Yet another blind supporter of homosexuality who cannot handle the truth, and refuse to comment on the dire consequences for society when homosexuals and deviants are given too much leeway. i gave just two examples
What a surprise rak is more fascist than Christian 😊 who knew 🤷🏻♂️
- NAMBLA
- The indoctrination of kids.
Rather that address the issue they resort to name-calling.