Brazos de Dios

Originally posted by Rajk999
I notice you like using the word hypocrisy. There are two meanings for that word:

1. Those who claim to do one thing but dont actually do it ie they lie.
2. Those to preach one thing and do another.

You have to be using the word in the sense of #2 since Rwingett already said that he does not actually live in such an environment. Now if you are totally ...[text shortened]... [/i]

Simply if you can both DO AND TEACH then you are great in Gods Kingdom. But not all can.

Really? Did you even bother to read anything I wrote? I questioned him on how he preaches about living communal and off the grid, not abusing mother natures resources and such. He then ADMITTED that he does not practice what he preaches.

So you are wrong I was referring to YOUR #1 definition as to him.

I would never accuse anyone of however you defined #2

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10 KJV)

Originally posted by Rajk999
I notice you like using the word hypocrisy. There are two meanings for that word:

1. Those who claim to do one thing but dont actually do it ie they lie.
2. Those to preach one thing and do another.

You have to be using the word in the sense of #2 since Rwingett already said that he does not actually live in such an environment. Now if you are totally ...[text shortened]... [/i]

Simply if you can both DO AND TEACH then you are great in Gods Kingdom. But not all can.

Not sure where you got your definition from.

Websters Dictionary:


Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

I would say that he fits #2 to a tee

Originally posted by boonon
Really? Did you even bother to read anything I wrote? I questioned him on how he preaches about living communal and off the grid, not abusing mother natures resources and such. He then ADMITTED that he does not practice what he preaches.

So you are wrong I was referring to YOUR #1 definition as to him.

I would never accuse anyone of however you defined ...[text shortened]... we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10 KJV)

I made no such admission. But whether I practice what I preach is irrelevant to whether what I preach is worth practicing. For this thread is not about me, brother boonon, it is about you. Before anyone can be expected to practice anything, they must first see that it is worth practicing.

Originally posted by boonon
Really? Did you even bother to read anything I wrote? I questioned him on how he preaches about living communal and off the grid, not abusing mother natures resources and such. He then ADMITTED that he does not practice what he preaches.

So you are wrong I was referring to YOUR #1 definition as to him.

I would never accuse anyone of however you defined ...[text shortened]... we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10 KJV)

Is English your second language or something?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Is English your second language or something?

You can't admit you were wrong and falsely accused me of something. I have read enough of your posts to expect nothing less. Clearly you do not understand the English language.

Dodge, deflect and attack when you are found to be wrong.

Originally posted by rwingett
I made no such admission. But whether I practice what I preach is irrelevant to whether what I preach is worth practicing. For this thread is not about me, brother boonon, it is about you. Before anyone can be expected to practice anything, they must first see that it is worth practicing.

Verily, brother boonon, we are all sinners. But recognizing that fact is a prerequisite for atonement. Only by recognizing that our daily collaboration with Mammon is what sustains it, can we hope to break its chains. Moses himself never made it to the Promised Land, but he did what he could to lead his people there.

This is what you wrote back to me after I asked you if you live communally and do not abuse mother earths resources , or technology or money and such. You playing the 'we are all sinners' was your attempt to rationalize why you don't practice what you constantly preach on this and many other threads. I merely called you out on this. Like I stated before , you are no better than any other person who preaches these things but does not follow them. A hypocrite. Do as I say not as I do.

Originally posted by boonon
You can't admit you were wrong and falsely accused me of something. I have read enough of your posts to expect nothing less. Clearly you do not understand the English language.

Dodge, deflect and attack when you are found to be wrong.

My #2 is

2. Those to preach one thing and do another.

Websters #2 is according to you:

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Those two are basically the same thing.

To say one thing and do another [ME]

is the same as

To act in contradiction of ones stated beliefs. [WEBSTER]

Then you say I would never accuse anyone of however you defined #2 and proceed to say that Rwingett is guilty of #2.

I think you are confused.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I notice you like using the word hypocrisy. There are two meanings for that word:

1. Those who claim to do one thing but dont actually do it ie they lie.
2. Those to preach one thing and do another.

You have to be using the word in the sense of #2 since Rwingett already said that he does not actually live in such an environment. Now if you are totally ...[text shortened]... [/i]

Simply if you can both DO AND TEACH then you are great in Gods Kingdom. But not all can.

Maybe I read to fast or you read to slow. I missed the part where you said that he already admitted he does not practice what he preaches.

What you failed to see was that he did not admit this 'until' after I asked him. If I had not asked he would of not shared this information. Leading everyone to believe that he lives the way he tells everyone else they should live. It's called being a hypocrite. He states this in his opening paragraph and then says in his second paragraph that this is not the point of his thread. If that were true he would of started the thread with the main content of his second paragraph.

Originally posted by boonon
Verily, brother boonon, we are all sinners. But recognizing that fact is a prerequisite for atonement. Only by recognizing that our daily collaboration with Mammon is what sustains it, can we hope to break its chains. Moses himself never made it to the Promised Land, but he did what he could to lead his people there.

This is what you wrote back to me after ...[text shortened]... son who preaches these things but does not follow them. A hypocrite. Do as I say not as I do.

None of us is perfect, myself included. I don't do ALL of what I preach. But I do, or have done, a lot of it. And I aspire to keep perfecting myself in that direction. That is all one can ask. That you recognize that it is the correct direction to move in, and that you keep moving in that direction, however small and fitful the increments may be, is the sign of of a wise man.

The reason why you are a HOPELESS sinner, brother boonon, is that you do not even recognize that your direction needs changing. You WANT to keep yourself chained to Mammon.

Originally posted by rwingett
Jesus provides the motivation (or faith) for you to successfully break that chain yourself (which is works). Some would argue that the former is not necessary, but within a Christian context, they are both necessary. The only chain that Satan hold on you is your self-imposed devotion to Mammon. It is not Satan who binds you thus, but you, yourself, who main ...[text shortened]... of them. You want to keep playing the victim by abnegating your responsibility in breaking them.

You are so lost. Jesus does not just provide the motivation, he has already defeated Satan's hold on Christians. They now need to confess or agree with what he has already done.
One of his tricks is to send false teachers to say they need faith in him and....always something else.
The works that I do are not to save myself or earn salvation, that has already been accomplished. The works that I do are out of love.

Originally posted by rwingett
None of us is perfect, myself included. I don't do ALL of what I preach. But I do, or have done, a lot of it. And I aspire to keep perfecting myself in that direction. That is all one can ask. That you recognize that it is the correct direction to move in, and that you keep moving in that direction, however small and fitful the increments may be, is the sig ...[text shortened]... even recognize that your direction needs changing. You WANT to keep yourself chained to Mammon.

More utter nonsense. I called you a hypocrite, not a sinner. You are right in one regard we are all sinners. I never said anything to the contrary.

Yes I am a hopeless sinner, but I am not hopeless. My hope remains with The Lord Jesus Christ and his un wavering love for me.

Originally posted by rwingett
None of us is perfect, myself included. I don't do ALL of what I preach. But I do, or have done, a lot of it. And I aspire to keep perfecting myself in that direction. That is all one can ask. That you recognize that it is the correct direction to move in, and that you keep moving in that direction, however small and fitful the increments may be, is the sig ...[text shortened]... even recognize that your direction needs changing. You WANT to keep yourself chained to Mammon.

Please refrain from calling us brothers. My brothers are those who proclaim Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Originally posted by boonon
Please refrain from calling us brothers. My brothers are those who proclaim Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

When you're ready to be my disciple, let me know. I've got an opening that needs filling. I think with time, and a little work, you could make the grade.

Originally posted by rwingett
When you're ready to be my disciple, let me know. I've got an opening that needs filling. I think with time, and a little work, you could make the grade.

I imagine you have many openings to fill. The biggest is the void between your ears.

Originally posted by rwingett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQOYzQtMJM

Featured in the June/July edition of 'Mother Earth News' (and in the video above) is an intentional Christian Community known as Brazos de Dios (Arms of God). They consist of about 45 families in an agricultural cooperative situated on 510 acres near Waco, Texas. Similar to anabaptist groups like the Amish, they ...[text shortened]... social phenomenon situated in this world, entirely apart from the fallen world of Mammon.

Well, now that you have it figured out, you're saved.

Good job rwingett. Contact me privately and I'll help relieve you of all that filthy mammon. 😉