Originally posted by roigam
You certainly have not understood correctly what my viewpoint is.
I'm looking forwaard to the best time mankind has seen.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
(Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. Th ...[text shortened]... ntist and having an impacted wisdom tooth removed.
Aren't you going to be happy when it's gone?
For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there.What is mildly terrifying about this is that you refer to an apocalypse that you welcome. I fear that people like you who wish for the End of the World will act to bring it about as, as a foreboding, the human war comes before the divine one.
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Aren't you going to be happy when it's gone?
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by FMFCould you give me a reference on that.
No one has said you have knowledge of the day or hour. But you have already stated that it will happen in your lifetime.
As far as I know that is a misquote or you have confused me with another.
I would not say that as I do not know when the end is coming.
I can say I hope it is coming in my lifetime.
It is the season for it:
(Matthew 24:32-34) “Now learn this illustration from the fig tree: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. 34 Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.
(2 Corinthians 3:11) For if what was to be done away with was brought in with glory, how much greater would be the glory of what remains!
We look forward to the end of this unsuccessful system at Jehovah's hand so mankind can be brought to perfection again and the Earth be made a Paradise.
Would you like to see that?
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16 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamI'm sure there must be someone in your life who you either love or care about who is a non-believer. Why would you then 'hope' the end is coming in your lifetime? Does their fate not weigh heavy on your mind?
Could you give me a reference on that.
As far as I know that is a misquote or you have confused me with another.
I would not say that as I do not know when the end is coming.
I can say I hope it is coming in my lifetime.
It is the season for it:
(Matthew 24:32-34) “Now learn this illustration from the fig tree: Just as soon as its young branch grows tend ...[text shortened]... an be brought to perfection again and the Earth be made a Paradise.
Would you like to see that?
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamOn Page 4 of this thread, I asked you: "I'm not asking how old you are, and I don't need to know, but do you expect the "last days" to occur during your lifetime?" And your answer was: "Yes. Look at the world conditions. Where are they leading?" If you said it in error and retract it, I won't mention it to you again. There is a least one Christian here who believes it will happen in their lifetime. If it's not the case with you, then so be it.
Could you give me a reference on that.
As far as I know that is a misquote or you have confused me with another.
I would not say that as I do not know when the end is coming.
I can say I hope it is coming in my lifetime.
It is the season for it:
(Matthew 24:32-34) “Now learn this illustration from the fig tree: Just as soon as its young branch grows tend ...[text shortened]... an be brought to perfection again and the Earth be made a Paradise.
Would you like to see that?
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamThis reference to "mankind" is a bit disingenuous of you when your organisation specifically teaches that only its members will survive the "great tribulation" when you know your organisation has only about 8-9 million members and the population of the world is about 7,000 million. When you refer to "mankind" you're not referring to those 7,000 million people are you?
We look forward to the end of this unsuccessful system at Jehovah's hand so mankind can be brought to perfection again and the Earth be made a Paradise.
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by FMFSorry if I misled you.
On Page 4 of this thread, I asked you: "I'm not asking how old you are, and I don't need to know, but do you expect the "last days" to occur during your lifetime?" And your answer was: "Yes. Look at the world conditions. Where are they leading?" If you said it in error and retract it, I won't mention it to you again. There is a least one Christian here who believes it will happen in their lifetime. If it's not the case with you, then so be it.
I was not referring to my lifetime specifically.
Since I don't know specifically how long I will live, I can't say if I will be alive when this system is brought to an end,
Still, the sign is there. It can happen anytime, even in my lifetime.
(Habakkuk 2:3) For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeEach one must decide for themselves.
I'm sure there must be someone in your life who you either love or care about who is a non-believer. Why would you then 'hope' the end is coming in your lifetime? Does their fate not weigh heavy on your mind?
16 Oct 15
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeNo, their end is in their own hands. We all have free will.
Yes, i understand that. But as i asked, doesn't their fate weigh heavily on your mind, or is your own salvation all that matters?
My responsibility is to tell them of Jehovah's provisions of salvaltion.
Whether they hear and take advantage of the loving provisions Jehovah God has extended to all mankind is their own choice.
I would not nor could I force anyone to make a specific choice against their judgement.
It would not be loving on my part to do so and it wouldn't succeed.
It must be an individual choice from the heart.
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16 Oct 15
Originally posted by roigamIndeed. But i am not asking about choice, or responsibility. I am asking you, as a human being, if the fate of non-believers (that you care about) impacts on your desire for the 'end times' to arrive?
No, their end is in their own hands. We all have free will.
My only responsibility is to tell them of Jehovah's provisions of salvaltion.
Whether they hear and take advantage of the loving provisions Jehovah God has extended to all mankind is their own choice.
Of course you can just wash your hands of them and say 'their choice' and then shrug and say 'my only responsibility was to warn them.' Where is your humanity in that?
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeAs a human I feel the same way that Jehovah feels about the situation:
Indeed. But i am not asking about choice, or responsibility. I am asking you, as a human being, if the fate of non-believers (that you care about) impacts on your desire for the 'end times' to arrive?
Of course you can just wash your hands of them and say 'their choice' and then shrug and say 'my only responsibility was to warn them.' Where is your humanity in that?
(2 Peter 3:9) Jehovah....., but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
There will no doubt be sadness if any do not respond and are not saved through the end of this system.
We hope for the best for all mamkind:
(Matthew 20:28) Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.”
That's why Jesus sent out his disciples to preach the good news of the Kingdom when here on Earth.
The ministry is a house to house search and rescue mission to find potential survivors from a disaster..
Adam and Eve were the source of the disaster.
17 Oct 15
Jehovah is our Creator, our Heavenly Father, He dosen't want to lose any of His children.
The prodigal son left his father but had the good sense to return.
We should too.
(2 Corinthians 5:18-20) But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us. As substitutes for Christ, we beg: “Become reconciled to God.”
That is what we hope for family, friend, and even all of mankind.
07 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFGod has not set a number on those who will gain everlasting life.
Do those who have responded and who will be saved number around 8-9 million by any chance?
He is worthy of all of His creation bending their knee to Him but how many heard Jesus preach and saw him do miraculous works using his Father's active force and yet how many were in the upper room at Pentecost? There were only 120 out of the many who heard or saw Jesus.
(John 3:19) Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked.
God created us with free will. Satan has suborned it.