Christian morals

Originally posted by @sonship
[b] Meanwhile, I too take responsibility for all my posts.
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And I take responsibility for mine.

Look, I don't much care if your religious fervour makes you a rather vain and bitter little ideologue who quite often says stuff he wishes he 'had phrased somewhat differentl ...[text shortened]... ----------------------------------------------------------------

Like I await your approval ?

I know it's rubbed you up the wrong way and disturbed your Monologue Method, but can you please address the questions about "Christian morals"?

Originally posted by @fmf
I know it's rubbed you up the wrong way and disturbed your Monologue Method, but can you please address the questions about "Christian morals"?

Oh, devastating !!! Utterly devastating that you just KNOW something rubbed me the wrong way.
If you spent as much time in self congradulatory gloating that you "rubbed" somebody the wrong way. you might have some meaningful contributions.

why not offer some exmples of Christian behaviour, conduct and actions that are different from non-Christian behaviour, conduct and actions, and dissect the contrasts in morality...

I gave examples which you now ignore in favor of pointing out some significance to me being rubbed the wrong way. Good majoring in the minors.

Me:

I have examples. But I do not claim to be able to execute the last judgement.

You:

Good. What are they?

Me - three examples given plus the examples of Christian martyrs on a Youtube video.

I already said up front that I did not argue that similar things might never be done by non-Christians. I preempted that tactic with Matthew 13.

Of course you regard it as regurgitating because it refutes the expected criticism that non-Christians have done similar things, therefore those actions were not unique.


PS
To those who have sent private messages of appreciation, thanks for indicating that my so called "monologue method" has been a benefit to some of you.

Originally posted by @sonship
Oh, devastating !!! Utterly devastating that you just KNOW something rubbed me the wrong way.
If you spent as much time in self congradulatory gloating that you "rubbed" somebody the wrong way. you might have some meaningful contributions.


[quote] why not offer some exmples of Christian behaviour, conduct and actions that are different from non-Christ ...[text shortened]... n, thanks for indicating that my so called "monologue method" has been a benefit to some of you.

Calm down, sonship. Answer the question: Are "Christian morals" just ordinary morals but applied while thinking stuff about yourself and thinking about Christ?

Originally posted by @sonship
Oh, devastating !!! Utterly devastating that you just KNOW something rubbed me the wrong way. If you spent as much time in self congradulatory gloating that you "rubbed" somebody the wrong way. you might have some meaningful contributions.

More deflection. What about the question?

Originally posted by @sonship
I already said up front that I did not argue that similar things might never be done by non-Christians.

So, what turns the ordinary morals into "Christian morals" is for the person espousing those morals to be thinking about Christ while he or she is engaging in actions with a moral dimension, and that is all, is that correct?

Originally posted by @sonship
To those who have sent private messages of appreciation, thanks for indicating that my so called "monologue method" has been a benefit to some of you.

What was it you said in your 4th post on page 5 when you were trying to kick cyber sand in wolfgang59's face?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Is it ok to be in the “don’t know” camp now?

Well it seems it’s only acceptable when you are in that camp.

If I were to take a guess I would agree with what sonship has said on the topic. I would not say the Devil is his biological father. But I do agree that Bible seems to place people into two camps, God’s camp and the Devil’s camp. Do you think there is a 3rd camp that I’m missing?

I have no reason to believe FMF is in God’s camp. Do you?

So there is really only one other camp I could place him in. How about you?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Well it seems it’s only acceptable when you are in that camp.

If I were to take a guess I would agree with what sonship has said on the topic. I would not say the Devil is his biological father. But I do agree that Bible seems to place people into two camps, God’s camp and the Devil’s camp. Do you think there is a 3rd camp that I’m missing?

I have n ...[text shortened]... d’s camp. Do you?

So there is really only one other camp I could place him in. How about you?

so basically you are saying “I don’t know”?

It’s funny how you berated me for saying I didn’t know the answer to one of your questions, and yet here you doing the same thing.

Like sonship and Josephw, you hem and haw, duck and dive, prevaricate, lack in the fortitude and courage to come out and unequivocally say what what it is you really want to say. You prefer the snide approach: put it out there, kind of almost say “it”, suggest it, do what politicans do and...infer.

You are a boring ass Becker, a hollow, gutless, one-trick weedy Christian who whines on and on and on and on about morality but you lack any substantial honesty yourself. You represent much of what I despise about contemporary Christianity. A film-flam, a sham, pretenders, pious bullshlters.

Here’s my final statement on this subject: either balls up and respond with an unequivocal yes or no, or just STFU.

Originally posted by @fmf
Calm down, sonship. Answer the question: Are "Christian morals" just ordinary morals but applied while thinking stuff about yourself and thinking about Christ?

Human virtues are human virtues whether one is a Christian or not.

For the purposes of this thread I have explained about living through Christ who is risen, alive and available. Your examination is simply tailored to teach that He is not.

That's your unbelief.

Have you calmed down enough to give me another name from world history with as high an ethical life as Jesus ?

Have you also calmed down to the point you can offer some explanation why Jesus called Peter "Satan" when Peter expressed concern for Jesus not being crucified?

Originally posted by @sonship
Human virtues are human virtues whether one is a Christian or not.

For the purposes of this thread I have explained about living through Christ who is risen, alive and available. Your examination is simply tailored to teach that He is not.

That's your unbelief.

Have you calmed down enough to give me another name from world history with as high ...[text shortened]... hy Jesus called Peter [b]"Satan" when Peter expressed concern for Jesus not being crucified?[/b]

You're still dodging my questions. It's not that I don't agree with your "answers"; it's that your "answers" are dodges.

Originally posted by @sonship
Human virtues are human virtues whether one is a Christian or not.

For the purposes of this thread I have explained about living through Christ who is risen, alive and available. Your examination is simply tailored to teach that He is not.

That's your unbelief.

Have you calmed down enough to give me another name from world history with as high ...[text shortened]... hy Jesus called Peter [b]"Satan" when Peter expressed concern for Jesus not being crucified?[/b]

Why would I need to "calm down" sonship? It's you who went all potty at being 'defied' like Dasa used to

Originally posted by @sonship
Have you calmed down enough to give me another name from world history with as high an ethical life as Jesus ?

I have already responded to this cliched rhetorical gimmick, sonship. Go back and read it?

Originally posted by @sonship
Have you also calmed down to the point you can offer some explanation why Jesus called Peter [b]"Satan" when Peter expressed concern for Jesus not being crucified?[/b]

Look it up on some Christian web site. It's your mythology, not mine. Are you ever going to answer my straightforward question about "Christian morals"?

Originally posted by @sonship
Human virtues are human virtues whether one is a Christian or not.

So, are "Christian morals" simply ordinary human morals but applied by "Christians" while thinking stuff about themselves and thinking about Christ?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Well it seems it’s only acceptable when you are in that camp.

If I were to take a guess I would agree with what sonship has said on the topic. I would not say the Devil is his biological father. But I do agree that Bible seems to place people into two camps, God’s camp and the Devil’s camp. Do you think there is a 3rd camp that I’m missing?

I have n ...[text shortened]... d’s camp. Do you?

So there is really only one other camp I could place him in. How about you?

While I haven't followed all of your exchanges with divegeester, the question - "Is So and So a follower of Satan?" is framed in a simple way as to also serve as a trap. If the trap works you're a mean, superstitious, intolerant bigot (supposedly).

Everybody knows, you see, that Satan is bad, bad. So any "follower of Satan" cannot do good things. Well, Peter was a follower of Jesus. Yet on an occasion Jesus rebuked him calling him "Satan".

Can a person be following God in one moment and suddenly be following Satan?
Ask Peter.
If you ask me, I'd say "Yes Indeed".

So being a "follower of Satan" does not mean there is no hope ever to turn and stop following Satan.
Nor does "follwer of Jesus" mean one cannot on a sudden occasion follow Satan.

Paul is speaking to Christians in Rome and says to them that the mind set on the flesh is enmity with God and cannot obey God. You may be a Christian following Jesus for 35 years. Suddenly you set the mind on your fallen humanity and you are in enmity with God and incapable of serving Him in that state.

"Because the mind set on the flesh [dear Christians] is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither can it be.

And those who are in the flesh [Christian or not] cannot please God." (Rom. 8:7,8)

Suddenly a Christian set his mind on his fallen nature and he is at enmity against God. Therefore in that moment virtually a follower of Satan.

The trick question of "Is So and So a follower of Satan?" is awkward for me to answer because it carries some assumptions. I answered the best as I could in a concise way.

A book could be written on the good man created by God in union however, with Satan, and needing to learn to have and strength his following of Christ.

Hope this helps some.