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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You're floundering now into absurdity.

You described a situation of psychological abuse. 'You' did that. No one else, you. - You then linked to a site that provided additional evidence of cultist abuse.

If you truly escaped such a situation without trauma then i'm pleased for you. Although your own words seem to suggest otherwise:

"It's one thing to get out of a cult but it is another thing to get the cult out of you."

According to your definition of 'psychological abuse' a classroom, university, and a normal job all qualify. So I reject your definition that is all.

Originally posted by dj2becker
According to your definition of 'psychological abuse' a classroom, university, and a normal job all qualify.

Is this not just low grade sophistry?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So I reject your definition that is all.

Was anybody else in your family abused by the cult or by any of its leaders?

Originally posted by FMF
Is this not just low grade sophistry?

According to Ghost: "Psychological abuse often involves a power imbalance and a controlling environment."This describes a school, university and a normal vocation. I would argue that even if someone people may experience psychological abuse in such settings where there is a power imbalance and a controlling environment, not everyone does.

Originally posted by dj2becker
According to Ghost: "Psychological abuse often involves a power imbalance and a controlling environment."This describes a school, university and a normal vocation. I would argue that even if someone people may experience psychological abuse in such settings where there is a power imbalance and a controlling environment, not everyone does.

Yes, and I asked you if you think/admit this "argument" is just low grade sophistry?

Originally posted by FMF
Was anybody else in your family abused by the cult or by any of its leaders?

I have already discussed this in detail. Or have you forgotten? By the way I found out about this when I had already left the cult.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, and I asked you if you think/admit this "argument" is just low grade sophistry?

If you disagree I take it you were psychologically abused at school and university and everyday at your job if you still work. You poor thing.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I have already discussed this in detail. Or have you forgotten? By the way I found out about this when I had already left the cult.

So is that a yes or a no? Other members of your family suffered abuse when they were in the cult, is that something you concede?

Originally posted by dj2becker
If you disagree I take it you were psychologically abused at school and university and everyday at your job if you still work. You poor thing.

Psychological abuse often happens in power imbalance or controlling environments, like your cult for example. But it didn't happen in my school or university. I would just say so if it had happened.

Originally posted by FMF
So is that a yes or a no? Other members of your family suffered abuse when they were in the cult, is that something you concede?

I discussed this in a post addressed to you, in detail, not so long ago. Have you forgotten or are you just pretending?

Originally posted by FMF
Psychological abuse often happens in power imbalance or controlling environments, like your cult for example. But it didn't happen in my school or university. I would just say so if it had happened.

Would you say bullying is a form of abuse? Or was there no bullying ever at your school?

Originally posted by dj2becker
I discussed this in a post addressed to you, in detail, not so long ago. Have you forgotten or are you just pretending?

I remember something you claimed, yes. Were there abusers of children or of women among your cult's leadership? That's basically the information I am after.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Would you say bullying is a form of psychological abuse?

It can be. Very mild though in most cases compared to the systematic abuse you have described you were subjected to and which is corroborated by the testimony of others you cited.

Originally posted by FMF
I remember something you claimed, yes. Were there abusers of children or of women among your cult's leadership? That's basically the information I am after.

Some of them were in leadership positions some children were abused some of the leaders did the abusing but not all the leaders were abusive and not all the children were abused. There are still people I know that live there that are very happy and leaders that I know who are very sincere.