Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by dj2becker
Some of them were in leadership positions some children were abused some of the leaders did the abusing but not all the leaders were abusive and not all the children were abused.

You're talking about the cult you were a victim of, right?

Originally posted by FMF
You're talking about the cult you were a victim of, right?

I am talking about the cult I grew up in and left yes. I don't have a 'victim complex' about myself. Some of my best friends I grew up with and sang with in the choir that have left are now atheist, but somehow I have retained my faith.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I am talking about the cult I grew up in and left yes. I don't have a 'victim complex' about myself.

But just to be clear. You admit that some of the leaders of the cult you grew up in were child abusers although not all the children trapped in the cult were necessarily abused, is that right?

Originally posted by FMF
But just to be clear. You admit that some of the leaders of the cult you grew up in were child abusers although not all the children trapped in the cult were necessarily abused, is that right?

When I was part of the cult I never felt trapped at all. At times I thought it was the best place on earth. There were some that may have had less pleasant experiences.

Originally posted by dj2becker
According to your definition of 'psychological abuse' a classroom, university, and a normal job all qualify. So I reject your definition that is all.

Psychological abuse 'could' happen in any of those environments. (That doesn't mean it is a normal occurrence).

But we're not talking about those environments. We're talking about a cult you belonged to where your own description is one of psychological abuse and apparent brain washing. - You also previously described animosity towards these abusers, especially in regards to their treatment of a family member. - Have you forgotten that?

Originally posted by dj2becker
When I was part of the cult I never felt trapped at all. At times I thought it was the best place on earth. There were some that may have had less pleasant experiences.

Do you believe that the child abuse carried out by members of your cult's leadership was systematic and that it happened over a prolonged period of time?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Anyone who questioned the rules of this church were excommunicated and everyone in the church believed they were going to hell and shunned them like lepers. I was born into the church and for 24 years I believed that everything they taught was the absolute truth. Parents would disown their children if they decided to leave.

Excommunication. Going to hell. Being shunned like lepers. Being disowned by your parents. At what age were you made aware that these kinds of psychological threats were hanging over you?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Psychological abuse 'could' happen in any of those environments. (That doesn't mean it is a normal occurrence).

But we're not talking about those environments. We're talking about a cult you belonged to where your own description is one of psychological abuse and apparent brain washing. - You also previously described animosity towards these abusers, especially in regards to their treatment of a family member. - Have you forgotten that?

I would not call the brainwashing 'abuse' because it was not violent and neither was it used for a bad purpose. The intentions of those doing the brainwashing was never to cause harm.

Yes I was obviously upset when I heard of the abuse suffered by my family member, that does not mean I was abused now does it? 🙄

Originally posted by FMF
Do you believe that the child abuse carried out by members of your cult's leadership was systematic and that it happened over a prolonged period of time?

It all depends what you mean with the word 'abuse'. You have yet do give me a clear definition for your use of it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I would not call the brainwashing 'abuse' because it was not violent and neither was it used for a bad purpose.

You don’t think brainwashing children is bad?

Originally posted by dj2becker
It all depends what you mean with the word 'abuse'. You have yet do give me a clear definition for your use of it.

I presumed it was child sex abuse. Was it not? You need me to define child sex abuse?

Originally posted by dj2becker
The intentions of those doing the brainwashing was never to cause harm.

Although some of those in charge of the brainwashing were child sex abusers right?

Originally posted by FMF
I presumed it was child sex abuse. Was it not? You need me to define child sex abuse?

I only found out about a few isolated cases of such abuse and only after I left.

Originally posted by dj2becker
When I was part of the cult I never felt trapped at all. At times I thought it was the best place on earth. There were some that may have had less pleasant experiences.

This is what I think is going on here.

I think the closest you have ever been to being part of a cult is when you joined an after school science club. (They bullied you a little right, maybe trashed the rocket you'd made out of polystyrene and lard?). I think you made up the whole cult thing during the heat of a forum thread. (Basically you lied). You then linked to some random site about cults to bolster your deception, and then purely because it fitted the flow of the argument at hand, suddenly presented a family member who had been abused by the cult you had escaped (the cult you now claim gave you pleasant experiences).

I think you had forgotten half the lies you made up and were reliant on no one taking the time to dig up the posts in question. - Genuine abuse is a terrible and traumatic event that can take years of therapy to deal with. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself and should go create yet another account post haste.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I only found out about a few isolated cases of such abuse and only after I left.

So are you holding out for me to define child sex abuse or not?