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Originally posted by divegeester
Perhaps, I'm not following closely enough. I remember him describing his experience in a cult and I googled some of the text he used and it linked to a website on cult abuse. FMJ admitted to using the text as he said it described his experience well. It was unreferenced and more fakery.

On this occasion he simply admitted to consulting a web site in order to check out some details of what cults are actually like before writing his 'personal story'.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, there was three key questions about the psychological abuse you suffered that you dodged repeatedly on this thread.

[1] One was words to the effect of 'if a victim of sexual abuse shows no ill effects decades later, does that mean they weren't sexually abused?' That question went to the very heart of your claim that there was no psychological abuse becau ...[text shortened]... At what age were you made aware that these kinds of psychological threats were hanging over you?

[1] One was words to the effect of 'if a victim of sexual abuse shows no ill effects decades later, does that mean they weren't sexually abused?' That question went to the very heart of your claim that there was no psychological abuse because you claim you were unaffected by it. So it's clear why you dodged that question. And then...

The point you seem to be missing is that I am talking about my experience. Surely I am the only one who can decide whether or not I felt psychologically abused at the time?

[2] I asked you words to the effect of 'isn't brainwashing children a bad thing?' You dodged it presumably because it was a detail you had inserted or mentioned that had become inconvenient to the way you were trying to downplay the psychological abuse aspect. And then...

I think brainwashing is bad if it causes harm. At the time I was not caused any harm and thus I did not feel psychologically abused.

Excommunication. Going to hell. Being shunned like lepers. Being disowned by your parents. At what age were you made aware that these kinds of psychological threats were hanging over you?

I knew about them but thankfully never experienced them directly because my parents refused to disown me and they left the cult with me because their eyes were also opened to it. The fact that I was shunned by some was unpleasant for sure but I wouldn't go so far as to say I felt psychologically abused by it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
The point you seem to be missing is that I am talking about my experience. Surely I am the only one who can decide whether or not I felt psychologically abused at the time?

This is a dodge yet again.

Once more:

If a victim of sexual abuse shows no ill effects decades later, does that mean they weren't sexually abused?

Originally posted by divegeester
I found the website you copy/pasted from, called you on using it and you attempted to excuse yourself for using unreferenced matierial by saying it described your experience in the cult very well.

To be frank, I find you to be a boring ass who adds no value to the discussions in this forum. Your lies are just an extension of your inadequate online persona.

The words I wrote were 100% my own words, anyone with half a brain who actually bothers to open the link and read what is written there can see that. You claim that I copy/pasted stuff is a lie. Are you ever going to own up to this lie?

Originally posted by dj2becker
I think brainwashing is bad if it causes harm. At the time I was not caused any harm and thus I did not feel psychologically abused.

Why isn't brainwashing of children "harm" in and of itself? I thought you claimed to be a teacher - an educator of children?

Originally posted by FMF
This is a doge yet again.

Once more:

If a victim of sexual abuse shows no ill effects decades later, does that mean they weren't sexually abused?

I don't see how this question is relevant, I have never been sexually abused.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I knew about them but thankfully never experienced them directly because my parents refused to disown me and they left the cult with me because their eyes were also opened to it. The fact that I was shunned by some was unpleasant for sure but I wouldn't go so far as to say I felt psychologically abused by it.

Good grief. Why the dodge? Answer the question.

At what age were you made aware that these kinds of psychological threats were hanging over you?

Originally posted by divegeester
Your forum identity is a dull concoction, you are a dull person. You had some level of forum intrigue when people were trying to figure out which previous poster you were, but you were unable to even maintain that facade. You are clearly a liar. Clearly as in it is blatantly bleeding obvious to any regular poster here. You're a boring multiple identity t ...[text shortened]... e; at least them you will be somewhat interesting...for the 6 posts until you are clocked again.

The only proven liar here is you.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I don't see how this question is relevant, I have never been sexually abused.

Pretending not to see the obvious relevance is what makes you seem like a fraud.

Originally posted by FMF
Those were different occasions. I have caught him plagiarizing 2-3 times too. But on this occasion he simply confessed to consulting a web site to check the details of what cults are like. You are conflating it with one of the times he has been copy pasting someone else's words.

I did not consult the website for anything I personally know the people whose testimonies are on the website. These testimonies are partly the reason why I left.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I did not consult the website for anything I personally know the people whose testimonies are on the website. These testimonies are partly the reason why I left.

You consulted a web site in order to check details of what living in a cult is like. You admitted to it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I personally know the people whose testimonies are on the website. These testimonies are partly the reason why I left.

And yet you STILL deny that you lived in, and grew up in, an environment of sustained and systematic psychological abuse?

Originally posted by FMF
I have met and known cult survivors. You strike me as a fraud who got his ideas about what cults are like from a web site. If you had bothered to read the link you gave you would have realized how much psychological abuse went on in the cult you claim you were a member of. It seems you didn't bother to read it.

I pretty much followed all the rules and as a result suffered no 'abuse'. Those that suffered abuse were the ones that didn't follow the rules. Their abuse was not common knowledge because it was well covered up, but their abuse did surface on the internet and is partly the reason why I left.

Originally posted by FMF
On this occasion he simply admitted to consulting a web site in order to check out some details of what cults are actually like before writing his 'personal story'.

I personally know all the people whose testimonies are on the website, that is the only reason why I referenced it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I pretty much followed all the rules and as a result suffered no 'abuse'. Those that suffered abuse were the ones that didn't follow the rules. Their abuse was not common knowledge because it was well covered up, but their abuse did surface on the internet and is partly the reason why I left.

A child being threatened with ostracization, treated like a leper, expelled from his family, thrown out of the community, deprived of normal things for their intellectual and interpersonal development, is psychological abuse.

Again, haven't you claimed to be an educator of children?