Clarify Agnostic - Atheism

@fmf said
I am an agnostic atheist. See my 2nd post on page 1.

Agnostic ~ prefix 'a', means 'no'.

Gnostic ~ esoteric(special)(mystical) knowledge(gnosis).

>No knowledge.

"Agnostic atheist". So you don't know you're an atheist? Or is it you're not sure God exists or not? Or do you think God may exist, but need more proof?

"Agnostic atheist" leaves us with an unclear understanding of your exact position relative to the existence of God. "Agnostic atheist" appears to make an indistinct sound as you use it to define and describe your position relative to 'belief'.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Why does it require guts to say I don't believe in God? What a peculiar thing to say.

Do I also require guts to say I don't believe in the tooth fairy?! Or do you really believe the fire and brimstone threats of something I find thoroughly ridiculous has any sway on me?

"Sway" enough for you to post your thoughts about it. Right?

@secondson said
Agnostic ~ prefix 'a', means 'no'.

Gnostic ~ esoteric(special)(mystical) knowledge(gnosis).

>No knowledge.

"Agnostic atheist". So you don't know you're an atheist? Or is it you're not sure God exists or not? Or do you think God may exist, but need more proof?

"Agnostic atheist" leaves us with an unclear understanding of your exact position relative to the exist ...[text shortened]... to make an indistinct sound as you use it to define and describe your position relative to 'belief'.

The definition of agnostic atheist on page 1 is fine.

@secondson said
"Agnostic atheist" leaves us with an unclear understanding of your exact position relative to the existence of God.

If your understanding is unclear, so be it.

@fmf said
The term "atheist" is attached to a range of stances about supernatural beings. Perhaps you need some "courage" to acknowledge this instead of just being fatuous?

"The term "atheist" is attached to a range of stances..." that cover as many objections to that mindless belief as possible.

To "know" God does not exist means "knowing" something affirmative with regards to the non-existence of God, in contrast to the un-affirmable idea of the lack of evidence.

Stating that there is no evidence, as evidence, is only a perspective, and not an affirmable perception. The act of claiming to be an atheist is an act of abject ignorance borne of arrogance and self importance.

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@secondson said
The act of claiming to be an atheist is an act of abject ignorance borne of arrogance and self importance.

When I label myself an "agnostic atheist" then it means I feel the definition I posted on page 1 best applies to me. I don't think it is an [1] ignorant, or [2] arrogant or [3] self-important stance at all.

@secondson said
"The term "atheist" is attached to a range of stances..." that cover as many objections to that mindless belief as possible.

I don't think my stance is "mindless" at all.

@bunnyknight said
I got a better question: If God actually landed in London or Washington or Moscow tomorrow morning, how would you know it's God? If this foreign visitor said, "Hello my children, I am your God and you may worship me now." - Would you believe him? What if he gave an amazing demonstration of military strength, or dazzled you with technological marvels? Would you be co ...[text shortened]... And how would you know he's not just some alien joker, or a sociopath that came to enslave you all?

When God "lands", there will be no question about who He is, except by the duped.

@secondson said
To "know" God does not exist means "knowing" something affirmative with regards to the non-existence of God, in contrast to the un-affirmable idea of the lack of evidence.

Perhaps you should take this up with someone who says they know "God does not exist".

@secondson said
"Sway" enough for you to post your thoughts about it. Right?

I just shared my thoughts on Jam sandwiches in the GF.

It didn't require guts to do so.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I just shared my thoughts on Jam sandwiches in the GF.

It didn't require guts to do so.

One thought I have about jam sandwiches that I'd like to share is that you WOULD require guts to digest them, proper biological terminology notwithstanding.

@fmf said
One thought I have about jam sandwiches that I'd like to share is that you WOULD require guts to digest them, proper biological terminology notwithstanding.

I found out recently that there are people who actually eat animal guts and entrails.

I think that's offal.

@divegeester said
Do you have the “guts” to answer my simple question?

Sonship,

On your church’s website, in the statement of beliefs section, it states that a person MUST accept the trinity doctrine in order to be saved.

Do you agree with what your church has published in this regard, yes or no?

What a hang up!

What specific things does one not have to believe to not be saved?

I doubt you know.

@lemondrop said
an agnostic is an atheist without balls

Bollocks.

@secondson said
"The term "atheist" is attached to a range of stances..." that cover as many objections to that mindless belief as possible.

To "know" God does not exist means "knowing" something affirmative with regards to the non-existence of God, in contrast to the un-affirmable idea of the lack of evidence.

Stating that there is no evidence, as evidence, is only a perspective, an ...[text shortened]... elf importance.

[hidden]Not meant as an affront against any person. Do not take offense.[/hidden]

Disambiguation: "atheist 1a" (unreflective) ", "atheist 1b" (reflective), "atheist 2", "agnostic," "apostate."

Everyone is born an atheist, lacking belief in God or gods. This sort, atheism 1a, is the default position.

Belief in God or gods is learned, not innate. Some people, after they have learned that other people believe in God or gods, may continue to lack such a belief and notice that they are different from those who believe. This does not necessarily entail asserting that no God or gods exist; only that the person concerned lacks this particular piece of mental furniture. This is reflective atheism, "atheism 1b" (i.e., the default position plus the conscious realization that a particular belief is not present).

Both cases 1a and 1b are distinguishable from asserting that no God or gods exist. That is "atheism 2."

The term "agnostic" means the assertion that one cannot (or does not) know that God or gods exist; this is an epistemological position concerning what is knowable, and is distinguishable from all three senses of "atheism" above.

A person who once believed in God or gods but no longer does qualifies as an "apostate."