@divegeester Why would I even start to explain them to you? I've explained hundreds over the years and you always draw a blank. Why is that? Maybe you have no desire to learn, I don't know but if you actually decided to go there things would finally all make sense. But that is all between you and Jehovah.
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Not that you will get this but here ya go:
THE “NEW HEAVENS”
What are the “new heavens”? They are the new spiritual governing powers that God has ordained to rule the righteous new world. They are a heavenly government. The “new heavens,” then, stand for what Jesus Christ called the “kingdom of the heavens,” and for which he taught his followers to pray in these words: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will come to pass, as in heaven, also upon earth.” So God’s purpose in creating the “new heavens” or the “kingdom of the heavens” is that his divine will may be done on earth as well as in heaven.—Matt. 13:31; 6:9, 10.
Well, then, what preparatory steps had God taken in the first century of the Christian era toward the creating of the “new heavens”? The first took place at the Jordan River A.D. 29; this was when God begot his dedicated, baptized Son Jesus with his holy spirit, thus anointing him to become King in the heavens of the new world. Ah, no wonder “righteousness is to dwell” in the new world! The new world’s King is none other than the tried and tested Jesus Christ, the One who proved his love for righteousness by keeping integrity toward his Father’s universal sovereignty, though it meant death on the torture stake at Calvary. Of this King of kings it is written: “God is your throne forever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of straight principles. You loved righteousness and hated lawlessness.”—Heb. 1:8, 9.
Who besides the King Jesus Christ constitute the “new heavens”? The angels in heaven? No, God has purposed that the “new heavens” or Kingdom government would be made up of the King together with a limited number of “a new creation.” The small number of those who would make up the “new creation” are taken from among mankind. The number of those who will be joint heirs with Christ in the heavenly kingdom is small in comparison with the billions of mankind that will eventually gain everlasting life on this earth. So Jesus Christ said to the anointed Christians: “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.” In the book of Revelation the number of this “little flock” is given as “the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been purchased from the earth. . . . These were purchased from among mankind as a firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.” Thus the “new heavens” will be made up of Jesus Christ and his 144,000, the “joint heirs with Christ.”—2 Cor. 5:17; Luke 12:32; Rev. 14:3, 4; Rom. 8:17.
God took another preparatory step toward creating the “new heavens” A.D. 33. This was when Jehovah himself directly resurrected his Son from the dead. After a period of forty days Jesus ascended to heaven, there to sit at the right hand of God until the time came for the planting of the “new heavens”: “He sat down on the right hand of the majesty in lofty places. But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies a stool for your feet’?”—Heb. 1:3, 13.
Can it be said, then, that the foundation of the new world was laid A.D. 33, when Jesus ascended to heaven to present the merit of his perfect human life to his Father and to sit “on the right hand of the majesty in lofty places”? Yes, but only in a first-stage way. The complete laying of the new world’s foundation could take place only when the “new heavens” begin to operate. This would be when God’s promise at Isaiah 51:16 regarding the “new heavens” would be fulfilled: “I shall put my words in your mouth, and with the shadow of my hand I shall certainly cover you, in order to plant the heavens and lay the foundation of the earth and say to Zion: ‘You are my people.’” So only by the planting of the “new heavens” could the new world’s foundation be laid in a complete or final way.
FOUNDING THE “NEW EARTH”
We remember that Jehovah promised not only to plant the “new heavens” but also to “lay the foundation of the earth,” that is, the “new earth.” When Jesus came to God’s spiritual temple in 1918 for the purpose of judging men, Christendom was rejected. A remnant of Jesus’ anointed followers on earth passed that temple judgment and were cleansed and purified and sent forth as Jehovah’s witnesses, as visible representatives of the “new heavens.” During the high point of World War I the spiritual remnant were practically silent, and they were in captivity to symbolic Babylon, Satan’s world. But in 1919 Jehovah regathered his disorganized people, increased their numbers and organized them for Kingdom preaching. What does this have to do with founding the “new earth”? The restoring of the spiritual remnant from antitypical Babylon from 1919 forward is the founding of the “new earth.”
Jehovah’s dealings with the restored remnant in 1919 thus brought about the phenomena of a nation’s being “born at one stroke” and a land’s being brought forth “in one day.” Foretold God’s prophet: “Who has seen things like these? Will a land be brought forth with labor pains in one day? Or will a nation be born at one stroke?” (Isa. 66:8) The “land” brought forth in one day, the “day of Jehovah,” is the earthly position occupied by the restored remnant of God’s spiritual nation, that is, the remaining ones of the “little flock” on earth. So the first ones to inhabit the new earthly situation are the “nation” that is brought forth at once, the anointed followers of Jesus that are alive on earth at his coming to the temple and that serve as the “faithful and discreet slave” class. (Matt. 24:45-47) To this spiritual nation a great crowd of sheeplike persons have come, and upon the foundation of the newborn nation a new-world society has been built. Right now, before Armageddon, we thus behold the spectacle of a “new earth” crowd of inhabitants rapidly growing amidst a dying corrupt old world.
What is the hope of this “great crowd” of sheeplike persons that come “out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues” to associate with the New World society? Their hope is to live in the new world and to enjoy everlasting life on earth. They expect to survive Armageddon along with the remnant of God’s spiritual nation. They keenly look forward to the time when, after the old, wicked “earth” is destroyed, the remnant dedicate the “new earth” to Jehovah’s worship. The remnant, in Jehovah’s due time, will leave the post-Armageddon “new earth,” that they may be with the King Jesus Christ in the eternal “new heavens.” The “new earth,” then, will eventually be made up entirely of the “other sheep” for whom the Right Shepherd Jesus Christ died. (John 10:16) These “other sheep” will include not only the “great crowd” of Armageddon survivors and their offspring but also those who are brought back from the dead in the “resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”—Rev. 7:9; Acts 24:15.
How thrilling that the creating of “new heavens and a new earth” is under way! Soon now the vision of the apostle John will be realized: “I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.” (Rev. 21:1) The “former heaven” is Satan and his demons; the “former earth” that passes away at Armageddon is the old-world society organized in support of Satan’s world. The “sea” is symbolic of the wicked element of mankind that will be “no more.” (Isa. 57:20) Wickedness will be gone, for of the “new heavens” and the “new earth” Peter wrote: “In these righteousness is to dwell.” (2 Pet. 3:13) Now is the time to tell others of the best news in all the world: God’s creating of “new a new world".
@galveston75 saidIts about reliability, trust, integrity. The Jehovah Witnesses lack these critical qualities which are required for people to believe what they preach. Jesus told his disciples that, Paul told the Apostles that as well. They need to be blameless and upright. They must be a light to the world.
@divegeester Why would I even start to explain them to you? I've explained hundreds over the years and you always draw a blank. Why is that? Maybe you have no desire to learn, I don't know but if you actually decided to go there things would finally all make sense. But that is all between you and Jehovah.
The continued failure of the WatchTower Organisation to make their prophecies materialise is their downfall. Also several time I have seen you quote references which bear no resemblance to your point.
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@galveston75 saidThe determination of your cult to dismiss Biblical scripture is astonishing. But if you’re happy then you carry on.
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Not that you will get this but here ya go:
THE “NEW HEAVENS”
What are the “new heavens”? They are the new spiritual governing powers that God has ordained to rule the righteous new world. They are a heavenly government. The “new heavens,” then, stand for what Jesus Christ called the “kingdom of the heavens,” and for which he taught his followers to pr ...[text shortened]... w is the time to tell others of the best news in all the world: God’s creating of “new a new world".
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@galveston75 saidI’m already a member of Jehovah’s church; I don’t need your off-shoot cult with it’s horrible practices and strange beliefs about child sacrifice.
@divegeester Why would I even start to explain them to you? I've explained hundreds over the years and you always draw a blank. Why is that? Maybe you have no desire to learn, I don't know but if you actually decided to go there things would finally all make sense. But that is all between you and Jehovah.
Thanks anyway.
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@galveston75 saidNo, it is you who keep denying the horrendous abuse by your cult of adults and children, both psychologically and sexually.
Read the first link on this page. You have no idea what you are talking about so look this up.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1981888
Your religious organisation, the Jehovahs Witnesses is being investigated in dozens of countries for child sex abuse and the covering up of it.
The Watchtower leaders encourage child sacrifice through the doctrinal pressure to withhold life saving blood transfusions from children in order to appease your version of God.
Because you defend your religious cult you are part of it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why you keep coming back to the is forum to get reminded of these facts is astonishing.
@galveston75 saidYou are sadly mistaken. How can the JW sect telling people that they are the light of the world, actually make them the light of the world?
Read the first link on this page. You have no idea what you are talking about so look this up.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1981888
Using another metaphor, Jesus said that his disciples must be the salt of the earth. The JWs have been in decline for the last 20 years. Clearly the salt has lost its savour. People are abandoning the JW faith in droves, having come to the realisation that the elders have no clue what they are doing and the doctrine preached is not of Christ. There are less JWs on the streets, there is lower attendance at Kingdom Halls. And to top it off your prophesies continue to fail. No prophesy can be of God if it fails.
Maybe it is time for you to keep silence.
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Lol. Yeah right. I have no idea where you get your info from but our yearly records are open to the public. Just go to our web site JW.org and go to the yearly report and compare 2023 to 2022........
Now as hard as it is for you and divegeester to concentrate on this thread stop hijacking all the threads you crash into. I believe this one is on (((((((( CLIMATE ))))))))) issues............
If you can't JUST LEAVE!!!!!
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@galveston75 saidIn your opinion, would your Jehovah approve of Jehovah Witness parents choosing to let their child die rather than let them have a blood transfusion which would save their life?
@Rajk999
Lol. Yeah right. I have no idea where you get your info from but our yearly records are open to the public. Just go to our web site JW.org and go to the yearly report and compare 2023 to 2022........
Now as hard as it is for you and divegeester to concentrate on this thread stop hijacking all the threads you crash into. I believe this one is on (((((((( CLIMATE ))))))))) issues............
If you can't JUST LEAVE!!!!!
@galveston75 saidThose figures do not include people who have left, and there are many thousands who are disillusioned with the doctrine, the conduct of the elders who claim that they represent God, if even because all the prophesies have failed to materialize.
@Rajk999
Lol. Yeah right. I have no idea where you get your info from but our yearly records are open to the public. Just go to our web site JW.org and go to the yearly report and compare 2023 to 2022........
Now as hard as it is for you and divegeester to concentrate on this thread stop hijacking all the threads you crash into. I believe this one is on (((((((( CLIMATE ))))))))) issues............
If you can't JUST LEAVE!!!!!
@Rajk999
I was thinking and I want to apologize to you and Divegeester.
(Are you two really the same person? Maybe?)
Anyway I truly want to apologize. The reason is because of what the bible says about the time of the end of this system and right before Armageddon and how things would be. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how the world has changed from the early part of the 20th century. Basically WW1 was the beginning and the wars that have followed down to this very minute on our planet. The bible has a list in it of what would be going on during that last day.s In a few places in scriptures in Ezekiel, Daniel, Matthew , 2 Timothy, etc, etc, these are clearly explained. Other scriptures explain how his people would know and use his name, Jehovah, and clearly know who Jesus is and isn't.
The bible also explains how most would follow the "broad and spacious way" instead of following the "narrow and cramped" way to life.
Yes there are other churches in the world but they miss out on learning the deeper things in the Bible that shows how the last days would be and how to find that way to the narrow way.
For the ones who pick that narrow and hard way they live are the ones who follow Jehovah no matter what Satan's world throws at us, such as ridicule, imprisonment, etc just as happened to those who followed Jesus's words in those days.
Anyway I want to apologize because I know why you two respond to me and other JW's that you may know because the bible says it would happen. So far I haven't seen anyone of other religions here at RHP get harassed or challenged like JW's do. Why is that? Are we doing something that is not based on the Bible?
Who here goes door to door just as Jesus himself did as well as all of his disciples? Jesus said to do that, right?
Are we perfect? Not at all.
Anyway somebody has to harass us so this site has given some here the tools to do that. Sorry it has to be you two but it has to happen.....
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@divegeester said@galveston75 ??
In your opinion, would your Jehovah approve of Jehovah Witness parents choosing to let their child die rather than let them have a blood transfusion which would save their life?
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@galveston75 saidHang on, I'll get my violin.
@Rajk999
I was thinking and I want to apologize to you and Divegeester.
(Are you two really the same person? Maybe?)
Anyway I truly want to apologize. The reason is because of what the bible says about the time of the end of this system and right before Armageddon and how things would be. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how the world has changed from the ...[text shortened]... site has given some here the tools to do that. Sorry it has to be you two but it has to happen.....