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Yes you can ask that.

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Read up on it a bit more and you will understand. Basically they claim they are entiled to handle it internally but in reality all they do is protect the pedophiles and make life difficult for the victims.

They are just a bunch of sick, evil SOB, parading as Gods chosen people.

Here is one report.

Australian Jehovah’s Witnesses protected over a thousand members accused of child abuse, report says

Over the course of about six decades, more than 1,000 members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses were accused of sexually abusing Australian children, according to a new report. Victims were ordered to keep quiet. Not one of the alleged perpetrators were reported to the police. Now, a royal commission in Australia has found the church demonstrated a “serious failure” to protect children from the risk of sexual abuse and relied on outdated policies and practices to respond to such allegations.

A 107-page-long report released Monday detailed a number of ancient policies that exhibited what the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse referred to as a “serious lack of understanding of the nature of child sexual abuse.” One such practice, derived from scripture, requires church elders investigating incidents to secure a confession from the person accused or the testimony of two “credible” witnesses to the same incident, two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind, or strong circumstantial evidence testified to by at least two witnesses. The accuser also has to justify his or her allegations to church elders, often in front of the alleged perpetrator.


The commission’s findings were based on a close examination of the allegations — which averaged one a month for 65 years and were recorded in sealed files along with the church’s responses — along with the findings of a 2015 public hearing. The report found that the Jehovah’s Witness organization’s internal system for responding to complaints of child sexual abuse was not child or survivor focused, “in that it is presided over by males and offers a survivor little or no choice about how their complaint is addressed.”

“The sanctions available within the organization’s internal disciplinary system are weak and leave perpetrators of child sexual abuse at large in the organization and the community,” the report also concluded. The head of the Jehovah’s Witness community’s service desk, Rodney Spinks, told the Sydney Morning Herald the church is taking the royal commission’s work seriously.

The church’s responses to sexual abuse allegations, and its desire to handle them internally, often mirror those of the Catholic church or of some Orthodox Jewish communities. But unlike the priests of the Catholic Church, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have no paid clergy. Alleged perpetrators are mostly regular congregants, who are shielded from official prosecution by the church’s code of moral conduct. The church’s rules, which are based on a strict interpretation of the Bible, call for separation from other members of society, who are considered spiritually inferior.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/

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Perhaps do some research 🤷‍♂️

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How you do define “out of date” given the context being discussed at the time?

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Unfortunately the sexually abused children in that report into JWs covering it up, will have to.

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Are you sure?

For some reason I imagined you in flared trousers and florescent socks.

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Hi, thanks, and yes I've finally given up on his claims. I can't find any either.
But I know it has happened as we are all imperfect and not everyone who is a JW that is part of the congregation has a trust worthy heart or motives. That is why whenever any situation is made known to the elders in a congregation they try to get all the facts that they can first, and then decide on 3 elders that would be the most qualified in the issue at hand. And all of this is done with prayer to Jehovah for guidance. Then the person is invited to a meeting with those 3 elders and if the sin is of a serious nature and the person shows no remorse, they will not be allowed to associate with others in the congregation for a period of time. As far as meetings as long as there no disturbances caused by them, our meetings are open to the public which they are a part of. And then with time and serious remorse, they can be reinstated later on. Each case is different and they will handle it with Jehovah's help. The bible is also very clear on what to do with ones who have committed a serious sin such as child abuse. The elders probably would not call the authorities, but it can happen. The bible does not tell us to do that but to try and help that person if they can.
But if the family or the person decides to call the authorities, that is their option especially if they feel that danger is still there.

((( But every case is DIFFERENT Raj & Divedude..... We don't answer to you!!!!!! )))

Why other churches do not do this is between that church and Jehovah. The bible is very clear on the subject of disfellowshiping and they will have to answer to Jehovah for not removing a "practicing" sinner from their association within the congregation.

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@galveston75 said
The elders probably would not call the authorities, but it can happen.
And there in a nutshell is your problem.

The fact the elders, the most respected members of your organization, would probably not call the authorities to report a child abuser in their midst is deeply disturbing and what's even more disturbing is how nonchalant and accepting you are of this.

And to try and justify this lack of moral obligation by saying no direction is given in the bible to do so is quite frankly moronic. Would you stand aside and allow a terrorist to blow up a train because there is no biblical instruction to intervene and protect the innocent?

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@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Oh my. Do you not think we use common sense in our life's and try as hard as it can be to do things Jehovah's way? We pay our taxes so yes why would we not use what is provided for not only our safety but that of others by our cities and countries if needed?
And I raised 3 children and if anyone had ever touched them in a wrong way, believe me it would have taken all the elders in our congregation to hold me back.....I am human just as you are and I would have probably reacted as one just as you no doubt would.
The bible says to be peaceable IF POSSIBLE with all men. That is the first thing an elder would try to promote and that is to hopefully keep me from reacting in a way that would put me in jail.
Again we are humans just as you are. But we try as hard as we can to follow Jehovah's commands, not yours or anyone else s here.

Please read the first link on this web page....... https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-revenge/

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@galveston75 said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Oh my. Do you not think we use common sense in our life's and try as hard as it can be to do things Jehovah's way? We pay our taxes so yes why would we not use what is provided for not only our safety but that of others by our cities and countries if needed?
And I raised 3 children and if anyone had ever touched them in a wrong way, believe me it ...[text shortened]... st link on this web page....... https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-revenge/
There is a legal and moral responsibility to report a child abuser to the authorities. This also applies to the elders in your church. Disfellowship is not an acceptable alternative. - How is that protecting other children in the community and preventing future victims?

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@galveston75 said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Oh my. Do you not think we use common sense in our life's and try as hard as it can be to do things Jehovah's way? We pay our taxes so yes why would we not use what is provided for not only our safety but that of others by our cities and countries if needed?
And I raised 3 children and if anyone had ever touched them in a wrong way, believe me it ...[text shortened]... st link on this web page....... https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-about-revenge/
Bunch of lame excuses why the JWs dont do the right thing.

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@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
There is a legal and moral responsibility to report a child abuser to the authorities. This also applies to the elders in your church. Disfellowship is not an acceptable alternative. - How is that protecting other children in the community and preventing future victims?
Apparently these people believe that they have a legal right to keep these incidents from authorities. They claim it is just like the confidentiality that exists between a pastor and his church members.

The other matter that makes it worse for these poor abused minors is that the elders insist that unless there are 2 witnesses, nothing can be done. Who the hell goes around molesting children in front of 2 witnesses? All they are doing is putting a barrier of protection around the criminals in their organisation.

Further to this there are reports of children reaching their teens and young adult years, who insisted that they were abused, and the parents were encouraged to shun them. So its abused, shunned and eventually left on their own by the JWs.

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