Considering the Effects of Prayer

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby

God: Let me see, the death angel was at your bed this morning & I had to send one of My Angels to battle him for your life. I let you sleep through that

the death angel .... LOL

Originally posted by Suzianne
This is great, Bob. Thank you.

You're welcome, Suzi. Donna sent it to Jim who forwarded it to me: Boston Area to London based Red Hot Pawn,
with its new server in Fort Worth, Texas, to Duchess64's thread in less than a day; the internet's amazing.

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I don't think there is any doubt that some people feel better after
praying. And when some of their prayers are "answered" they no
doubt feel even better. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
the death angel .... LOL

Correction: "death angel59". lol

Originally posted by stellspalfie
there is no cure for multiple sclerosis.

belgium was invaded by germany, the germans did not 'turn away'.

You are right there is no cure for multiple sclerosis. But my dad did pray for those girls, and to the astonishment of their doctors, the two younger girls were completely healed.

As for Belgium, i know there was a small country about to be invaded by Germany that did not, for reasons that could not be explained. I thought it was Belgium, guess not.

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And what of my dad's prayer?

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This could very well be the story i heard as a child.

I believe that God can do what He wants. Just because you, today, were not there on that battlefield does not mean it did not happen. And anyone who does not want to believe, will not, and in some cases argue the point till the end of time.

I'm certain when my time comes to a close, you will be sending presents and thanking the heavens that i am gone.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
I believe that God can do what He wants. Just because you, today, were not there on that battlefield does not mean it did not happen. And anyone who does not want to believe, will not, and in some cases argue the point till the end of time.

Believing God can do what he wants, should not lead you to standing by a story that is clearly false. You weren't on that battlefield either were you?
Accepting that the story is false won't make you a sinner, nor will it make you an atheist. Continuing to tell other people it is true, does make you a liar.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Believing God can do what he wants, should not lead you to standing by a story that is clearly false. You weren't on that battlefield either were you?
Accepting that the story is false won't make you a sinner, nor will it make you an atheist. Continuing to tell other people it is true, does make you a liar.

Ok, no one here was there. What those men saw on the battlefield they will take to their graves.

But that still doesn't answer my question about my dad and his praying.

My dad sang in the light operas in Detroit, Mi. He loved people, and would do about anything for anyone. After he and my mom married, they both enjoyed singing at nursing homes. My mom was a music teacher and played a marimba.

Every Sunday they would lug that marimba to a different nursing home and put on a show for the elderly. My dad would tell anyone who asked, "We do this for the Glory of God.". My parents never preached, but there preaching was in their love of people.

What does this have to do with prayer you ask. Everything. Rain and marimbas do not mix. Yet, when is did rain, my dad would say out loud, "Lord you know we do this for your glory, please don't let the marimba get wet". It could be pouring outside, but as soon as the door opened with the first piece of that instrument the rain would stop. After it was in the car, it would poor again, and at the nursing home it would stop until it was in the building and safe. Same thing would happen on the way home.

My dad passed away in 94, but my brother, mom and i are all witnesses to this.

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You are right to say i am not a historian, but could you explain what happened in the Philippine Islands, in the capital Manila. When the army encountered the people. And the people got on there knees in prayer.

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Well, prayer is often what you make of it. I have prayed and thanked God for making me a woman. I cannot imagine being a man and under some of those stresses. I also feel I'm better able to handle adversity, being a woman. Men often seem to me to be such babies. So yes, I have prayed and thanked God for making me a woman.

As to your question, no, not at all, because I would counter that men's prayer with "Thank you God, for giving me the miracle of being a woman that I might know you and feel honored and respected by you because you have made me special and not made me just a man."

Originally posted by Pudgenik
Ok, no one here was there. What those men saw on the battlefield they will take to their graves.

But that still doesn't answer my question about my dad and his praying.

I didn't say it had anything to do with your Dad and his praying. What I said, is that passing off false stories as fact - when you know they are false, makes you a liar and you should desist. I don't think the argument that 'it might have been true if we substitute some other unknown country and unknown soldiers in an unknown field, so I might not be lying' cuts it.
If you want to convince people that prayer works, lying is not the way to go about it.
And no, I am not calling you out as a liar, I am trying to give you some friendly advice.