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02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @dj2becker"Certain assumptions have to be made" for just about anything.
Would you agree that certain assumptions have to be made when estimating the age of the universe?
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Originally posted by @kazetnagorraI’ll take that as a yes. Now look up what the word ‘assumption’ means.
"Certain assumptions have to be made" for just about anything.
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerDo you think that no assumption whatsoever has to be made in order to estimate my height?
I’ll take that as a yes. Now look up what the word ‘assumption’ means.
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02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraWhatever gave you that impression?
Do you think that no assumption whatsoever has to be made in order to estimate my height?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYour previous post.
Whatever gave you that impression?
If assumptions have to be made in order to make any empirical determination (as is the case), what is the point of stressing that assumptions have been made in order to estimate the age of the Universe?
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Originally posted by @kazetnagorraI was merely pointing out that the ‘news that the universe is 13.77 billion years old’ is based upon assumptions that cannot be proven and is therefore more of an estimate than a proven fact.
Your previous post.
If assumptions have to be made in order to make any empirical determination (as is the case), what is the point of stressing that assumptions have been made in order to estimate the age of the Universe?
If you disagree with my observations feel to state your case.
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraI think with all the knowledge I have now, knowing how tall you are is beyond me. No matter how spot on my math is with whatever height guessing methodology I utilize.
Do you think that no assumption whatsoever has to be made in order to estimate my height?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWell, all you've done is taken all of empirical science and labeled it "not proven fact." A bit underwhelming, to be honest.
I was merely pointing out that the ‘news that the universe is 13.77 billion years old’ is based upon assumptions that cannot be proven and is therefore more of an estimate than a proven fact.
If you disagree with my observations feel to state your case.
Do you have any specific qualms with respect to how the estimates for the age of the Universe are obtained?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraDo you know how everything got here to begin with?
Well, all you've done is taken all of empirical science and labeled it "not proven fact." A bit underwhelming, to be honest.
Do you have any specific qualms with respect to how the estimates for the age of the Universe are obtained?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayIs that a specific qualm with respect to the estimated age of the Universe?
Do you know how everything got here to begin with?
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Originally posted by @kazetnagorraDo you not distinguish between a scientific fact and a scientific theory? Extrapolating into the unknown past relies heavily on unprovable presuppositions and guesswork and does not rely solely on objective and verifiable observations that can be repeated in the lab.
Well, all you've done is taken all of empirical science and labeled it "not proven fact." A bit underwhelming, to be honest.
Do you have any specific qualms with respect to how the estimates for the age of the Universe are obtained?
PS: Hopefully Dive hasn't gagged on his extra large popcorn yet...
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Originally posted by @kazetnagorraIt seems to be a simple straightforward question that you have neatly sidestepped.
Is that a specific qualm with respect to the estimated age of the Universe?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat, specifically, do you think cosmologists have "guessed" inaccurately to arrive at their estimates for the age of the Universe?
Do you not distinguish between a scientific fact and a scientific theory? Extrapolating into the unknown past relies heavily on unprovable presuppositions and guesswork and does not rely solely on objective and verifiable observations that can be repeated in the lab.
PS: Hopefully Dive hasn't gagged on his popcorn yet...
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02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraThe thing with guessing about the past is that it’s impossible to tell whether it is accurate or not because if it was possible to tell you wouldn’t be guessing now would you?
What, specifically, do you think cosmologists have "guessed" inaccurately to arrive at their estimates for the age of the Universe?
What, specifically, do you think cosmologists have "guessed" accurately to arrive at their estimates for the age of the Universe?