Creation AND Evolution?

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Yes it is. For example if I say "Ghosts contributions are low on content, often belittling and rarely in the spirit of the OP" , then that is not a judgment. It is fact.

In which case sir, and based on your forum contributions, it is factually correct for me to call you an imbecile.

Originally posted by @suzianne
No. YOU have been "going on about it" for over two years. Hardly a week goes by before one of you two mentions it AGAIN. You should be proud, that's a LOT of mileage out of one quote.

The ONLY reason he's revisited it is BECAUSE you two have used it to viciously attack him over and over and over about it. Painting him as the one "going on about it" is completely untrue and one of the biggest and more obvious lies you've told in this forum.

Why shouldn’t we mention it, do you think sonship is ashamed of his own stated beliefs?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You do understand what the word ‘estimate’ means right?

How do you prove that the conditions we observe today for example the rate of expansion of the universe has always been the same in the past?

It is an assumption that cannot be proven.

Hence it is not an exact science.

Everything we measure is an estimate. I can measure my length and it is approximately 6'3". Is it based on "unproven assumptions"?

In fact, if the laws of nature would change over time, that would leave an empirical signature. To date, no such signatures have been found.

Originally posted by @suzianne
WRONG. Another lie. Sonship's unfortunate quote is NOT "at the core of his religion". You only say that to misrepresent him, distort what he says, and present your case that he is not to be listened to. Why? Because he disagrees with you. Oh, My God.

Sonship also said that “the lost will glorify him (Jesus) in their endless woe”, what do you think of that?

Sonship also said that Jesus burning billions of people alive for eternity was “God’s perfect justice” what do you think of that?

Answer: nothing to say, because he’s your buddy,

Originally posted by @suzianne
Sonship's unfortunate quote is NOT "at the core of his religion".

Why is it “unfortunate”? Do you think he typed those words by mistake?

Originally posted by @suzianne
At the time, I thought it a little strange, but it was one quote....

“A little strange” That has to be the biggest understatement in the history of rhp forums.

Let’s be clear; sonship stands by what he said, he’s stood by it through thick and thin, unwavering in his defence of it.

He believes that Jesus is glorified by billions of people being tortured in fire for eternity. He believes it is God’s perfect justice.
Just stop and think about that for a moment...

He also believes that Jesus is warning aliens on other worlds, to presumably believe in a version of Jesus on their own world, by allowing them somehow to observe the burning of billions of people in hell.
Also think about that for a moment...

Just think about what this is actually saying. And you have NEVER, not even once, challenged on this incredible horrific nonsense. But Karoly is a “whack job” for mentioning aliens.

You’re a hypocrite.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
In which case sir, and based on your forum contributions, it is factually correct for me to call you an imbecile.

Wrong. I dont have any intellectual disability. What makes you, a psychologist of all things, say that?

Originally posted by @suzianne
At the time, I thought it a little strange, but it was one quote. In no way is this one quote "the core of his religion". If it was, I would have been one of the first to call BS on it. But it's not. Sonship is sincere in his Christianity. He and I have locked horns a couple of times, but even though we disagree, I consider him a man of God. His fait ...[text shortened]... And now, if you'll excuse me, FMF, I do have better things to do than continue to entertain you.

You called karoly azcel a "whack job" for talking about "aliens" in the context of the Christian God. Is sonship also a "whack job" in so far as he too talks about "aliens" in the context of the Christian God?

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Wrong. I dont have any intellectual disability. What makes you, a psychologist of all things, say that?

I am demonstrating sir your naivety in believing 'your' opinions alone are factual and therefore not judgements.

I recommend re-evaluating your position.

Originally posted by @fmf
You called karoly azcel a "whack job" for talking about "aliens" in the context of the Christian God. Is sonship also a "whack job" in so far as he too talks about "aliens" in the context of the Christian God?

Run off.

Hilarious.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
I am demonstrating sir your naivety in believing 'your' opinions alone are factual and therefore not judgements.

I recommend re-evaluating your position.

Not true. Others give sound opinions also and I err from time to time. Shame its lost on you

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Not true. Others give sound opinions also and I err from time to time. Shame its lost on you

As reason is lost on you.

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
Everything we measure is an estimate. I can measure my length and it is approximately 6'3". Is it based on "unproven assumptions"?

In fact, if the laws of nature would change over time, that would leave an empirical signature. To date, no such signatures have been found.

Obviously measuring the age of the universe is not as simplistic and straightforward as measuring your height.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Obviously measuring the age of the universe is not as simplistic and straightforward as measuring your height.

I never claimed it was - just that your focus on the notion of an "estimate" is misplaced.

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
I never claimed it was - just that your focus on the notion of an "estimate" is misplaced.

Would you agree that certain assumptions have to be made when estimating the age of the universe?