Damnation of the saved

@dj2becker said
You have a tendency to quote things out of the context of the scriptures as a whole.

You must be insane. You asked if there is anyone one that does not sin and it so happens the bible speaks of such a group. How is that out of context?

@rajk999 said
Oh .. ok good. Assurance of salvation is for a specific group. All Christians do not fall into this group.

Why not? Shouldn’t you say not everyone who claims to be a Christian?

Yes. There is a group of Christians called the elect of God, who are born of God. They cannot sin.

Those born of God are everyone who receives Jesus Christ.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name,

Who have been begotten [BORN] not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12,13)

Rajk999 quotes First John

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:8-10 KJV)

The obvious answer is that the SEED must GROW.

And the audience to John's letter reveals that those born of God were at different levels of grow - different levels of maturity - different levels of the growth of the divine SEED which had been implanted in them.

John addresses fathers and young men and little children. The powerful influence of the growing divine seed yield graduating levels of their victory over sin.

I write to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you because of His name.
I write to you fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one.
I write to you young children, because you know the Father.
I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning.
I have written to you, young men, because you are strong and the word of God abides in you and you have overcome the evil one." (First John 2:12-14)

They are ALL the elect of God.
The are ALL guaranteed to be conformed eventually to the image of the Firstborn Son of God. For AS MANY as God foreknew, predestinated to conformation, called, justified and glorified.

In the eyes of God it is past tense for He cannot fail to carry out His eternal purpose to conform the saved to the image of the Firstborn Son of God.

"And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers.

And those whom He predestinated, these He also called, and those whom He called, these He also justified, and those whom He justified, these He also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? etc. etc. " (Rom. 8:28-31)

@sonship said

Yes. There is a group of Christians called the elect of God, who are born of God. They cannot sin.

Those born of God are everyone who receives Jesus Christ.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name,

Who have been begotten [BORN] [b] not of blood, nor of the wil ...[text shortened]... we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? etc. etc. " (Rom. 8:28-31)

That is a prime example of your doctrine preaching mouth worship. You promote the idea that those who profess faith, receives Christ and therefore are children of God or born of God, going further to state that they have eternal life and cannot lose it.

The whole truth is that the bible condemns mere profession of faith and states clearly that it is those who follow Christ commandments are the ones that know Christ, abide in Christ, Christ in them, and who love Christ. Failure to do that means they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

@rajk999 said
That is a prime example of your doctrine preaching mouth worship. You promote the idea that those who profess faith, receives Christ and therefore are children of God or born of God, going further to state that they have eternal life and cannot lose it.

The whole truth is that the bible condemns mere profession of faith and states clearly that it is those who follow Ch ...[text shortened]... ist in them, and who love Christ. Failure to do that means they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

It is the gospel, it appears to be something you have not experienced of, or you'd know it. It is Jesus Christ who saves us, Who gives us the Spirit of the Most High, that we are to, "By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you." If all you have are works and not God's Spirit, it than is going to be your mouth that isn't going to get you anywhere, and you will most certainly be judged for your works and words without the grace of God you dismiss.

Mark 8: English Standard Version (ESV)
And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?

Acts 15:
And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

Romans 1:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

2 Timothy 1:
Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher, which is why I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that day what has been entrusted to me. Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.

@kellyjay said
It is the gospel, it appears to be something you have not experienced of, or you'd know it. It is Jesus Christ who saves us, Who gives us the Spirit of the Most High, that we are to, "By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you." If all you have are works and not God's Spirit, it than is going to be your mouth that isn't going to get you ...[text shortened]... e in Christ Jesus. By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.

Here we go, another preacher of mouth worship. Jesus says you are a foolish man, that built his house on the sand.

.. every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:25-27 KJV)

The wise man builds his house on the rock of Christ's teachings

@rajk999 said
Here we go, another preacher of mouth worship. Jesus says you are a foolish man, that built his house on the sand.

.. every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fe ...[text shortened]... of it. (Matthew 7:25-27 KJV)

The wise man builds his house on the rock of Christ's teachings

I agree we need to follow Jesus' teaching, including the following.

Mark 8: English Standard Version (ESV)
And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?

@kellyjay said
I agree we need to follow Jesus' teaching, including the following.

Mark 8: English Standard Version (ESV)
And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?

The bible never said 'we need to follow Jesus teachings'. That is your church doctrine.

@rajk999 said
The bible never said 'we need to follow Jesus teachings'. That is your church doctrine.

We need to follow Jesus, we need to abide in Him, if you are His disciple you will doing what He says. Now you may not agree with that, the scriptural support is there, your words not so much. For one who doesn't abide in Jesus, for one who isn't abiding in His Word, for one who isn't picking up his/her cross and following Jesus is not obeying the Lord. Its both scriptural and a church doctrine, you may believe you can avoid Jesus in this life, live a 'good life' just do, 'good works' and you are accepted by God, but that isn't scriptural no matter how many times you say it. It is Jesus' blood that saves us, a God given grace through faith, not by our works so we could boast about it.

Our confidence to come to God is through Jesus Christ, not how good we are doing! When Jesus died the curtain that was between the Holy of Holies was torn by God from top to bottom showing that the way between the two of us has been removed. It was removed due to Jesus, not by our efforts but by the Son of God becoming sin for us, by taking our sins upon Himself and God crushing Jesus for the payment due to sins, God paid the price. Our confession (by the mouth) is that we have a hope in one who is faithful, Jesus Christ. Not that we can go on living a life of sinning and be forgiven, those that think and act that way will find themselves before a Holy God having no excuse, instead we need to pick up our crosses follow after God submitting to Him and resisting the old sinful nature we have.

John 8:
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,

Ephesians 2:
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 10:
Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

@kellyjay said
We need to follow Jesus, we need to abide in Him, if you are His disciple you will doing what He says. Now you may not agree with that, the scriptural support is there, your words not so much. For one who doesn't abide in Jesus, for one who isn't abiding in His Word, for one who isn't picking up his/her cross and following Jesus is not obeying the Lord. Its both scriptural a ...[text shortened]... n, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The bible said that failure to follow the commandments leads to damnation.
Followers and these commandments will enter the Kingdom of God.

The bible puts it in clearer language than your church.

@rajk999 said
The bible never said 'we need to follow Jesus teachings'. That is your church doctrine.

Didn't you previously claim that churches DON'T encourage people to follow Jesus' teachings?? You seem to be contradicting yourself at every turn.

@rajk999 said
The bible said that failure to follow the commandments leads to damnation.
Followers and these commandments will enter the Kingdom of God.

The bible puts it in clearer language than your church.

How could you possibly know that if you don't even know which church he attends and what they teach?

@dj2becker said
How could you possibly know that if you don't even know which church he attends and what they teach?

When a man speaks he speaks the doctrine of his church.
Sonship preaches the doctrine WL and the LCM plus they have their own bible
JSs preach the doctrine of the Watchtower and again they have their own bible.
Catholics also have their own doctrine and their bible includes the books not in the KJV.
Protestant churches preach faith alone without works, and are all derived from the teachings Martin Luther.
The doctrines are easy to figure out.

Many doctrines, none of which interests Jesus Christ.
All will be judged by their works.

Read Matt 5,6 and 7
Matt 25
Rev 3 and 4. Jesus speaking to the 7 churches.

Jesus is interested in good works.

@rajk999 said
The bible said that failure to follow the commandments leads to damnation.
Followers and these commandments will enter the Kingdom of God.

The bible puts it in clearer language than your church.

Following Jesus teachings, His Commandments, the Spirit of God leadership in our lives. Are all scriptural and you complaining about my church teaching is a simple sign you have no idea what you are talking about. What church do I go to, what doctrine from my church are you referring to? You have no idea, but you are spewing lies about people you don’t know, saying vulgar things not worth repeating as you claim to know what God accepts!

@rajk999 said
When a man speaks he speaks the doctrine of his church.
Sonship preaches the doctrine WL and the LCM plus they have their own bible
JSs preach the doctrine of the Watchtower and again they have their own bible.
Catholics also have their own doctrine and their bible includes the books not in the KJV.
Protestant churches preach faith alone without works, and are all derived ...[text shortened]... and 7
Matt 25
Rev 3 and 4. Jesus speaking to the 7 churches.

Jesus is interested in good works.

When a man speaks he speaks the doctrine of his church.

According to that logic you speak the doctrine of the church of Rajk.