Damnation of the saved

@rajk999 said
They cannot argue with that because it is all supported in the bible. Their church doctrine leaves out half of the explanations that Paul gave.

I know you can add to scripture to make it mean what you want, please share the parts you think I left off.

@kellyjay said
Did you read the text? Did you add the word “repentant” to alter the text to meet your explanation?

You are saying that Jesus likes sinners who continue to sin. Jesus does not like sinners to repent and to live righteously. Your foolishness is getting overbearing. Read the KJV of the passages you quoted.

@kellyjay said
Did you read the text? Did you add the word “repentant” to alter the text to meet your explanation?

Jesus explains what He had in mind when He said that He "came not to call the righteous, but sinners” in the following:
Luke 15
, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Luke 13
5“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Jesus explains what happens to the righteous and what happens to the unrepentant (unrighteous) here:
Matthew 13
41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43“Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

@thinkofone said
Jesus explains what He had in mind when He said that He "came not to call the righteous, but sinners” in the following:
Luke 15
, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. ...[text shortened]... TEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father.[/b] He who has ears, let him hear.

When Jesus said he was sent by God was he telling the truth?

@thinkofone said
Jesus explains what He had in mind when He said that He "came not to call the righteous, but sinners” in the following:
Luke 15
, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. ...[text shortened]... TEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father.[/b] He who has ears, let him hear.

Nooooo. Jesus loves sinners. The pastor says so. Sinners are saved. The righteous are doing works salvation and the are condemned. Sinners take up their cross daily and follow Christ. Sinners have Gods Spirit.

@rajk999 said
You are saying that Jesus likes sinners who continue to sin. Jesus does not like sinners to repent and to live righteously. Your foolishness is getting overbearing. Read the KJV of the passages you quoted.

You are adding words again, I didn’t say anything about anyone continuing to sin. Is that the only way you can respond, by changing scripture to suit you, or the words of those who you want to disagree with!

Direct quotes would be better than altering everything to make your points!

@kellyjay said
You are adding words again, I didn’t say anything about anyone continuing to sin. Is that the only way you can respond, by changing scripture to suit you, or the words of those who you want to disagree with!

Direct quotes would be better than altering everything to make your points!

The KJV of some of your quotes have the " calls sinners to repentance " part that YOUR CHOSEN TRANSLATION removed. Anyway I'm very tired of your stupidity and ignorance in these elementary matters. I'm going to cut off all communication with you starting now.

Here they are. Your quoted passages

Matthew 9:13 Go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Mark 2:17
And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

The KJV

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13 KJV)

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2:17 KJV)

@rajk999 said
The KJV of some of your quotes have the " calls sinners to repentance " part that YOUR CHOSEN TRANSLATION removed. Anyway I'm very tired of your stupidity and ignorance in these elementary matters. I'm going to cut off all communication with you starting now.

Here they are. Your quoted passages

Matthew 9:13 Go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, and not sa ...[text shortened]... at are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2:17 KJV)

Yes every point made was confined with your quotes!

@rajk999 said
Nooooo. Jesus loves sinners. The pastor says so. Sinners are saved. The righteous are doing works salvation and the are condemned. Sinners take up their cross daily and follow Christ. Sinners have Gods Spirit.

Let's see:
KJ: "You should expand your reading of scripture to more than the 4 or 5 verses you quote most often. "
Becker: "They are simply his personal opinions which only take into account a few of his favorite verses and deliberately ignore others."

No matter how many times you or anyone else provides evidence to the contrary, they keep trotting out the same false accusations over and over again. Perhaps they think that if they BELIEVE that something is true, then it is. Evidently "Truth by faith alone" goes hand-in-hand with "Salvation by faith alone".

@thinkofone said
Let's see:
KJ: "You should expand your reading of scripture to more than the 4 or 5 verses you quote most often. "
Becker: "They are simply his personal opinions which only take into account a few of his favorite verses and deliberately ignore others."

No matter how many times you or anyone else provides evidence to the contrary, they keep trotting out the same false ...[text shortened]... rue, then it is. Evidently "Truth by faith alone" goes hand-in-hand with "Salvation by faith alone".

90 % of the teachings of the New Testament is about good works and righteousness, but the rather focus on the 10% about faith.

Now in the last couple posts KJ is trying to say repentance is not necessary and that Jesus called sinners. When I said that Jesus called sinners to repentance his said that is not in the Bible.

@rajk999 said
90 % of the teachings of the New Testament is about good works and righteousness, but the rather focus on the 10% about faith.

Now in the last couple posts KJ is trying to say repentance is not necessary and that Jesus called sinners. When I said that Jesus called sinners to repentance his said that is not in the Bible.

No where have I ever said repentance isn't necessary, you should stick to the actual context of things said as well as scripture the way it is written. Picking up one's cross is a life of repentance, putting to death the old man in a daily walk. It is a life of serving Christ, not one's self. It is also a life where it is Jesus Christ gets the credit for our salvation not ourselves. You think you can be good enough for God by doing a good works? How exactly are good works going to cleans you of your sins? How exactly are good works going to make you good enough to be accepted by God? If Jesus doesn't clean you, give you the Holy Spirit you are no different than anyone else outside of Christ. You will die in your sins! Following the Holy Spirit, is doing good works, the good works God has for us to do. It is still Christ who justifies us, not ourselves.

Luke 18:14
I tell you, this man departed to his house, justified rather than the other: for every man that exalteth himself shall be brought low, and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Romans 3:23-25 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
For there is no difference: for all have sinned, and are deprived of the glory of God,
And are justified freely by his grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Whom God hath set forth to be a reconciliation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness, by the forgiveness of the sins that are passed,

Romans 6:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

@kellyjay said
I didn’t say anything about anyone continuing to sin.

If a sincere believer in Jesus, a believer in "forgiveness", and believer in "salvation", who is repentant, but continues to "sin", does he or she face "damnation"? Do you believe continuing to "sin" means "damnation"? Or do you believe "salvation" can be the fate of a believer in Jesus despite them continuing to "sin"?

@rajk999 said
90 % of the teachings of the New Testament is about good works and righteousness, but the rather focus on the 10% about faith.

Now in the last couple posts KJ is trying to say repentance is not necessary and that Jesus called sinners. When I said that Jesus called sinners to repentance his said that is not in the Bible.

I understand what you're saying. Unfortunately KJ doesn't understand the half of anything anyone writes or of scripture for that matter. He understands his beliefs and mindlessly regurgitates them whenever he gets backed into a corner.

KJ's poor reading comprehension skills, poor critical thinking skill and poor conceptual thinking skills, etc. makes it near impossible for him engage in a reasoned discussion. His poor writing skills makes it all the more difficult for him. Whenever anyone points any of those things out to him and suggests that he gets help with them, he gets irrationally defensive. Evidently he has too much pride to admit it and seek the help he needs. He has an aversion to truth - if not a hatred of truth.

After all these years, you remain the only Christian who regularly posts here who seems to actually seek truth and can engage in a discussion based in reason.

@thinkofone said
I understand what you're saying. Unfortunately KJ doesn't understand the half of anything anyone writes or of scripture for that matter. He understands his beliefs and mindlessly regurgitates them whenever he gets backed into a corner.

KJ's poor reading comprehension skills, poor critical thinking skill and poor conceptual thinking skills, etc. makes it near impossible ...[text shortened]... egularly posts here who seems to actually seek truth and can engage in a discussion based in reason.

Lol says the guy who can’t even answer a simple question: When Jesus said he was sent by God, was he telling the truth?

@dj2becker said
Lol says the guy who can’t even answer a simple question: When Jesus said he was sent by God, was he telling the truth?

ToO to Rajk999: "After all these years, you remain the only Christian who regularly posts here who seems to actually seek truth and can engage in a discussion based in reason."

Case in point.