Did Christ teach the local church?

I believe there were negotiations and hopeful people in the 20th century who even thought that the totality of Anglicans were going to become "Western Rites Orthodoxy" or some such.
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What I am talking about is not Ecumenical but actually coming back to the ground of oneness.

I am not speaking of a what Watchman Nee referred to as "Holding hands over the fence" but bring down the fence to be what we are - MERELY the church.


One of the older missionaries at my Church, who has really dediate dher whole life to it, once even told me something like... Martin Luther was a good man because he rebelled against the doctrines fo Catholicism that were exaggerated and deformed and inappropriate, and that Protestantism proves, in a sense, the tyranny and misdeeds of Catholicism.

In a way... We are looking forward to a day when these differences can be healed.
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What I am saying is that today God has opened up a way to go on. Coming back to the churches according to localities.

Problems will drive us into Christ.
Being driven into Christ will cause an INCREASE in Christ.
And INCREASE in Christ infused into the members causes more church to emerge.

More Christ = more church.

It works together ingeniously by God's original ordination.
The increase of grace causes an increase in the proper building material for the local church.

Originally posted by @romans1009
<<What interpretation? Paul is saying that those Christian Saints who live a life of sin will not enter the Kingdom of God:.. nothing to interpret. You can disagree and argue against it like you insist on doing but thats foolish. Again and again its all over the Bible.>>

I don’t disagree with what you wrote here, but it’s not what you said earlier.
...[text shortened]... in the flesh, they would not live “a life of sin.”

Read Galatians chapter 5 for elaboration.

Originally posted by @rajk999
This what you wrote here is called 'interpretation' and it is not in the Bible:

People who live a life of sin were not saved to begin with and did not receive the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit.

Paul makes no such distinction about who is saved to begin with etc etc.. Paul addressed ALL SAVED born again Christian Saints who have the Holy Spir ...[text shortened]... n sin but ALL ARE SAVED BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS

Jesus will judge who enters the Kingdom of God.

How do you define “a life of sin?”

Committing a single sin (or sinning very infrequently) and repenting with a sincere and sorrowful heart afterward or sinning with abandon (or sinning on at least a fairly frequent badis) and neither repenting nor feeling sorrowful afterward?

I don’t think the first fits the definition of living in sin or living a life of sin. Do you?

The parable of the kingdom of God in Mark:

"And He said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man cast seed on the earth, And sleeps and rises night and day, and the seed sprouts and lengthens - how he does not know.

The earth bears fruit by itself:
first the blade,
then an ear,
then full grain in the ear.
But when the fruit is ripe, immediately he sends forth the sickle, because the harvest has come." (Mark. 4:26-29)

Originally posted by @romans1009
How do you define “a life of sin?”

Committing a single sin (or sinning very infrequently) and repenting with a sincere and sorrowful heart afterward or sinning with abandon (or sinning on at least a fairly frequent badis) and neither repenting nor feeling sorrowful afterward?

I don’t think the first fits the definition of living in sin or living a life of sin. Do you?

Originally posted by @rajk999
The judge of what sins are forgivable is not me.
Its Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by @philokalia
So then who is Jesus Christ?

We all know the concept of the Trinity. How about you tell us why it is wrong instead of asking a fool like me to justify it.

It would simply be that if one does not know Christ, and think Him merely a man, you are missing the totality of what the Trinity amounts to, and you do not actually know Christ.

Originally posted by @thinkofone

As people are wont to do, over time they deified Jesus and mysticized the spirit of truth thus painting themselves into a theological corner. Instead of humbly admitting it to themselves, they created a nonsensical explanation that was dubbed the Trinity.

If anyone could offer a cogent explanation of the Trinity, I imagine they would. But they can't, so they don't.

Originally posted by @sonship
[quote] As people are wont to do, over time they deified Jesus and mysticized the spirit of truth thus painting themselves into a theological corner. Instead of humbly admitting it to themselves, they created a nonsensical explanation that was dubbed the Trinity.

If anyone could offer a cogent explanation of the Trinity, I imagine they would. But they c ...[text shortened]... orner? I bet it was enemies of the Christian church and champions of "another Jesus" wasn't it ?

Folks, sure the Trinity is hard to fathom.
Sure some have fallen into endless debates trying to explain the mysterious three-oneness of God.

God is triune not so that theologians can have a perplexing doctrine to speculate about. That is simply not why God is Father - Son - Holy Spirit.

His nature is that we may participate in God.
his nature is that we can fellowship with God and be a part of God's eternal purpose to be our life.

His name will be called "Wonderful" (Isaiah 9:6) . Thus we experience a God who is full of wonder. Don't listen to the foolishness claiming because we cannot fully explain God it follows that we cannot know oneness with God.

These critics don't even completely understand their own human life. And we're talking about the life of an Uncreated and Eternal One?

Originally posted by @thinkofone

In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, He neither deified Himself nor mysticized the spirit of truth.

Be that as it may, let's see if you can cogently explain the Trinity.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, He neither deified Himself nor mysticized the spirit of truth.

Be that as it may, let's see if you can cogently explain the Trinity.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re repeating the false belief that Jesus did not deify Himself during His ministry. He did several times and in one instance in the Gospels, God the Father confirmed it.

Jesus also referred to the Holy Spirit coming upon believers after He ascended to heaven.

Do you not know this?

Imagine this. Jesus causing two fish and some loaves of bread to be miraculously multiplied to feed thousands of people.

Then He has His disciples distribute the miraculous crumbs of the meager supply to those seated in groups to have the meal.

Imagine some skeptical one saying "No, you cannot hand me the crumb. Jesus cannot delegate this to any of His disciples. I only want Jesus to come directly down here to me and personally hand the miracle crumbs in me.

I will not receive delegation to any deputy or assistant.
It has to be the ministry of Jesus.

This is kind of the attitude we get from some modernists.
None of the disciples can be trusted to know what Jesus did or said. None of the evangelists can be trusted to have passed on accurately what Jesus did or said.


"The ministry of Jesus" must be totally purified from any influence of any other person close to Jesus. Now some two thousand years removed some fresh faced modernist theologian has to give the inside story which Peter, John, Luke, Matthew, Paul and other New Testament voices obviously had no clue about.

No delegation of His ministry can avoid obscuring its meaning. That is of course unless some modernist steeped in destructive higher criticism give us the true nature of Christ's ministry. That person can be trusted as a delegated authority.

Take the food from the hands of the faithful and trusted apostles of Christ.