Difficult questions

Originally posted by FMF
I try to treat you with respect Dasa - for instance I never try to impose my belief system on you - but I think you must surely be aware that a lot of people here think you are funny. You've been here long enough to realize that you are widely seen as one of the most alienating counter-productive advocates of a particular "spiritual" mind set that many members ...[text shortened]... not with humour, then how do you suggest people react to you if they honestly find you funny?

Originally posted by Dasa
But these very same persons believe that animal slaughter is funny.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Where is your evidence that what I have said is not true?
Where is all the proof in the fossil record of the missing links of
one creature evolving into another creature?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]But they have been so indoctrinated that they will not listen to reason.

Can you explain how it's possible to indoctrinate oneself?! You see, my views on evolution came about by me buying books and also reading books from my local library on the topic. No one has ever 'taught' me anything on the subject, apart from postings on this website.[/b]

Originally posted by FMF
What makes you think they believe eating meat is "funny"? It is you they find funny. I eat meat. I don't find it "funny". What I find funny is your insistence that your personal spiritual prohibition on eating meat somehow applies to me too and that I am being "dishonest" when I reject the so-called "authority" that you subscribe to. But it's funny-peculiar, rather than funny-ha-ha.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Go read a book on the topic Ron for goodness sake. You keep asking these ridiculous questions - 'Where's the evidence? Where's the evidence?' In a book store, this ain't some secret knowledge reserved for a select few. Anyone with an inquiring mind can access these books, read them and then make an evaluation using their own 'noggin'. What's staggering i ...[text shortened]... ad a book on the topic, and some (my good friend Robbie Carrobie) point blank refuse to.

Originally posted by RJHinds
So you are saying the only evidence you have is a made-up story
in some books. Now it looks like we are getting somewhere.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Are you deliberately being this stupid?

Originally posted by Dasa
You know very well that its not my personal agenda but I have taken the transcendental knowledge from the authority the Vedas.

Your rejection of this authority is one of whimsical assertion and not a rejection based on knowledge.

On the other hand if you had transcendental knowledge you would not reject at all.

So your rejection is baseless.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Phew..............i was about to give up on all humanity.

Originally posted by RJHinds
When I was young I had a pet cow that I had raised from a calf.
She was like a puppy dog. She would follow me around. Sometimes
when I wasn't paying attention to her, she would nudge me from
the back and I would rub her head and scratch behind her ears. I
would not want anyone to kill her for food.

Originally posted by Dasa
This is how humans should relate to the lower creatures with kindness and understanding...............it is a sign of elevated consciousness to see all creatures as our bothers in the spiritual context of life.

From Hinds:

"Natural selection (better adapted organisms surviving to pass on genetic
material) cannot produce evolution because it produces no NEW genetic
material. Mutations are random changes in the genetic makeup of organisms.
Evolutionists say that mutations supply the new genes needed for evolution
to proceed. Changing the DNA does not produce New genetic material. "

What do you think "New" genetic material is? It is the mixing and matching that goes on from virus to virus, from bacteria to bacteria, A virus gives us new genetic material that is included in our DNA all the time. A good portion of our genetic code come directly from virus attacks. Our style of life had genes transmitted vertically, that is from one sexual union to the next, each generation getting bits and pieces from the parents and grandparents, etc.

Bacterium and virus's don't do it that way, they can share DNA sideways, that is directly from bacteria to bacteria, which is why they evolve so quickly and why we need sexual reproduction to keep one step ahead of the bad guys, the virus attacks and so forth. The plague attacks in the 1400's gave some protection to the London attacks in 1663 where it only killed 1/3. The rest had a new gene inserted,'CCCR5 Delta 32' to be exact. Those without that mutation died of the plague, those that had it survived.

There is also evidence that same mutation is what gives 2 percent or so of the population to survive HIV with no treatment, it turns out to be the same gene that gives protection to both HIV and Plague or black death as it was called back then.

That is an example of evolution in action. It was theorized until a village was found in England that had survived the plague years and the descendants were still there. Their DNA was tested and a majority were found to have the Delta 32 gene. It was proof of the effectiveness of that mutation.

It was evolution in action right in our own times.

Originally posted by sonhouse
From Hinds:

"Natural selection (better adapted organisms surviving to pass on genetic
material) cannot produce evolution because it produces no NEW genetic
material. Mutations are random changes in the genetic makeup of organisms.
Evolutionists say that mutations supply the new genes needed for evolution
to proceed. Changing the DNA does not prod effectiveness of that mutation.

It was evolution in action right in our own times.