15 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWhen you say 'evolution' I am assuming that you are referring to 'speciation by natural selection'?
That is the problem. Some so-called facts that some people believe
to be facts, like evolution, are not really facts at all.
I have tried to explain to you before that these two things are not the same. Evolution is indeed an incontrovertible fact - by asserting that it isn't you merely demonstrate that you do not understand the term. You may be able to make a case that 'speciation by natural selection' (which is what Darwin proposed) is not proven to be factual.
15 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsYour years of education where you carefully studied both sides of the spectrum, or the education where you study a fictional book and talk about it with other people who claim it to be true?
My knowledge is based on sixty-seven years of combined education and
experience.
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWell it is interesting to see that you have studied both side of the important issues (evolution vs creation) and still choose faith over fact. Yes, I know you think your faith is fact so I guess in your mind your logic is sound. I suppose that is all that matters.
Both sides of the spectrum.
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by usmc7257Yes, the truth is what matters.
Well it is interesting to see that you have studied both side of the important issues (evolution vs creation) and still choose faith over fact. Yes, I know you think your faith is fact so I guess in your mind your logic is sound. I suppose that is all that matters.
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsI see, so when as above you claimed to have read; and i quote -
You think I haven't read anything at all on evolution, but you are wrong.
I have read two books, they are as follows:
1. Creation and Evolution by Alan Hayward, 1995
2. The Collapse of Evolution by Scott M. Huse, 1993
Both sides of the spectrum.
It turns out both the books you have read on evolution are written by, basically, Christian apologists. You haven't read 'both sides of the spectrum' as you claimed have you?
16 Aug 11
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Originally posted by Proper KnobThese books cover both sides.
I see, so when as above you claimed to have read; and i quote -
Both sides of the spectrum.
It turns out both the books you have read on evolution are written by, basically, Christian apologists. You haven't read 'both sides of the spectrum' as you claimed have you?
What books have you read on both sides?
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsTypical subject changing. You were asked a direct question and you answer turned out to be lacking, so you turn the question back on the asker. I am sure he will be able to provide you with a more unbiased list of material he has read. You said you studied both sides. What is christianity's stance on lying?
These books cover both sides.
What books have you read on both sides?
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsDon't be daft.
These books cover both sides.
What books have you read on both sides?
Here's how i define, and probably everyone else for that matter, 'both sides of the spectrum'. On one side we have those who accept the evidence for evolution, scientists who are evolutionary biologists such as Dawkins, Gould and Coyne. On the other side we have those who don't accept the evidence for evolution usually for religious reasons ie, it contradicts their literal interpretation of the Bible (that's the camp your in). There are of course countless theists who accept the evidence also, but let's not muddy the waters.
So unless you have a bizarre definition for 'both side of the spectrum', you are either lying or just merely confused.
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by usmc7257Christianity is against lying and we attempt not to tell lies. It is not
Typical subject changing. You were asked a direct question and you answer turned out to be lacking, so you turn the question back on the asker. I am sure he will be able to provide you with a more unbiased list of material he has read. You said you studied both sides. What is christianity's stance on lying?
right to tell a lie with the intention of hurting someone else. However,
we are not God, and do not have the knowledge to know everything
we believe and say might be a lie and not the truth. I believe you
guys believe a lie and I am providing you with the truth of God.
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobI have viewed some of Dawkins's videos and even provided a link to one
Don't be daft.
Here's how i define, and probably everyone else for that matter, 'both sides of the spectrum'. On one side we have those who accept the evidence for evolution, scientists who are evolutionary biologists such as Dawkins, Gould and Coyne. On the other side we have those who don't accept the evidence for evolution usually for religious rea ...[text shortened]... finition for 'both side of the spectrum', you are either lying or just merely confused.
video on which he was stumped by a question and had to take a break
in order to make up an answer. And in that answer he admitted that
we are not descendants of apes. Then he said he believes we came
from an extinct creature that he imagined in his head. I think Mr. Dawkins
is a liar and makes up stories to support his theories on evolution and
that there is no God. He gets away with it because many people want
to believe he is right, so that they will never have to be judged by God.
It is true that I don't spend time reading the books that are written by
diehard believers in evolution, because I think it is false and I don't want
to waste my time on reading things that are not true. But the books
I have quoted you give the view of the evolutionists and then counter it
with the view of creationists. So to me that is both sides of the spectrum.
If you think I am a liar, then so be it. I don't expect to be judged by you
anyway.