22 Apr 22
@fmf saidI asked early on, and you blew me off; define your terms; feelings come and go if you felt something, and now you don't; we are speaking about feelings; they are like the wind; they come and go. If faith is nothing more than thinking 3+4=8 and finding it 7, did you lose anything?
Chris and Donna's love and commitment was real even though they divorced after 25 years of marriage.
People can have real faith for decades even if that faith is eventually lost decades later.
Love and faith, and things like commitment, are all functions of cognition.
You may buy that love is a magic feeling, nothing solid and real about that; as I said, feelings come and go.
So say what you will; it is your world, after all.
22 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidWhy would you say that about me?
You may buy that love is a magic feeling, nothing solid and real about that; as I said, feelings come and go.
Do you really assume/believe that there was "nothing solid and real" in Chris and Donna's marriage for 23 years?
Do you really believe that a marriage ending after 25 years can be dismissed as "feelings come and go"?
22 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidMy faith for the better part of three decades was rooted in the belief that Jesus Christ died for our sins ~ as evidenced by the divinely inspired Bible ~ and that belief - that Jesus had "saved" me - permeated my life and felt like a very real, supernatural experience. That is the faith that I lost.
If faith is nothing more than thinking 3+4=8 and finding it 7, did you lose anything?
22 Apr 22
@fmf saidYou lost God's world and traded it in for yours.
My faith for the better part of three decades was rooted in the belief that Jesus Christ died for our sins ~ as evidenced by the divinely inspired Bible ~ and that belief - that Jesus had "saved" me - permeated my life and felt like a very real, supernatural experience. That is the faith that I lost.
22 Apr 22
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@fmf saidEverything changes with where we put our faith you choose you instead of your Creator. So every definition is what ever you want it to be, every thing good is how you define it, every bad is how you define it, you no longer have any absolutes that you have to accept unless you want to. It’s all yours your judgment is always the final say in all matters nothing and no one is above you in your mind that can and will hold you accountable. If reality isn’t as you presume reality will play out according to all the truth in it your opinions will either excuse or accuse you.
I just lost my faith, KellyJay. There was no process in which I "traded it in" for something. I know you're just being facetious. But I am talking to you about something highly personal here, bear that in mind.
In the meantime it’s your world at least as far as your concern. When you say my beliefs are toxic do think I receive that as personal?
22 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidFair point, KellyJay. You're right. Yes. I do find your misanthropy and your torturer God ideology utterly toxic. But, it's OK really for you to believe poisonous things. It's literally harmless and therefore not immoral. I don't believe in "thoughtcrimes". I frequently find your rhetoric about your fellow humans to be toxic. But I have no reason to believe you are toxic away from discourse like ours.
When you say my beliefs are toxic do think I receive that as personal?
22 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidEverything changes with where we put our faith you choose you instead of your Creator. So every definition is what ever you want it to be, every thing good is how you define it, every bad is how you define it, you no longer have any absolutes that you have to accept unless you want to. It’s all yours your judgment is always the final say in all matters nothing and no one is above you in your mind that can and will hold you accountable. If reality isn’t as you presume reality will play out according to all the truth in it your opinions will either excuse or accuse you.
Everything changes with where we put our faith you choose you instead of your Creator. So every definition is what ever you want it to be, every thing good is how you define it, every bad is how you define it, you no longer have any absolutes that you have to accept unless you want to. It’s all yours your judgment is always the final say in all matters nothing and no one is ...[text shortened]... ality will play out according to all the truth in it your opinions will either excuse or accuse you.
So, you do accept that I had real faith back when I was a Christian?
22 Apr 22
@fmf saidI believe you were part of something you now deny. As I pointed out to you if it was nothing but this is something I believe true like 2+3=12 and you discovered it’s really 5 did you lose anything?
Everything changes with where we put our faith you choose you instead of your Creator. So every definition is what ever you want it to be, every thing good is how you define it, every bad is how you define it, you no longer have any absolutes that you have to accept unless you want to. It’s all yours your judgment is always the final say in all matters nothing and no one is ab ...[text shortened]... er excuse or accuse you.
So, you do accept that I had real faith back when I was a Christian?
Christ in us is either a reality or not? If it is true nothing man can do to reach God but we are sinners and He is beyond our reach, than God reaches out to us by becoming one of us. Then to have that relationship is accepting God efforts to know us, by asking Him into to us, if that happens could we deny Him as real?
We could walk away choosing ourselves over Him. This is what we do when we choose sin over Him (me as well) what happened to you, you walked away from Him or He was never real to begin with? If it’s all a mental acceptance it’s no different than a math problem.
22 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidMy faith wasn't "nothing". Don't be so silly.
I believe you were part of something you now deny. As I pointed out to you if it was nothing but this is something I believe true like 2+3=12 and you discovered it’s really 5 did you lose anything?
Christ in us is either a reality or not? If it is true nothing man can do to reach God but we are sinners and He is beyond our reach, than God reaches out to us by becoming one ...[text shortened]... was never real to begin with? If it’s all a mental acceptance it’s no different than a math problem.