Does life have value?

Originally posted by apathist
If that helps you, keep it. Atheists don't need magical sky-daddies in order to accept life, death and reality. They are made of stronger and more rational stuff.

I asked the great goddess if jesus lives. She told me nature lives.

You prefer a magical rock daddy ?
Your great -great- great ... grand daddy was a rock ?
You trace back your origin to a rock ?

You prefer a magical hairless ape daddy?
An ape came down out of the tree, lost his hair, stood up on two feet and that's where you came from ?

More rational stuff ?
You're following the herd of superstition.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Stripping away all religious connotations from the word, human life, to me, is 'miraculous'. - Recently however i'm left wondering if Christians are of the same mind. Three Christians in particular seem very casual about human death, with the philosophy that 'we're all going to die anyway' so what does it matter if God decides to nonchalantly wipe us ...[text shortened]... etchMyJunk/another account.


Does an atheist give more value to a mortal life than a theist?

Life is precious and all sentient creatures treasure their lives deep down.
Whether they can access what is deep down is another story.

How you live is the important thing. Then yo die with no regrets, knowing you've done the best you can.

I hear Christians talking nonchalantly about regular human life while putting the life of Jesus and others on a pedestal.
We are all unique and every life is special - atheist or otherwise. To repeatedly put down others for whatever short-sighted reasons is , IMHO , just putting down ourselves.

Originally posted by apathist
If that helps you, keep it. Atheists don't need magical sky-daddies in order to accept life, death and reality. They are made of stronger and more rational stuff.

I asked the great goddess if jesus lives. She told me nature lives.

Is that what atheists do? Make up lies to cover their fear?

Talk is cheap. When death comes knocking on your door tell it your great goddess said you're not afraid.

Originally posted by KellyJay
The value of the human life is incredible, I don't look at the life you and I see here as all
there is to human life. I view our lives as eternal creatures, who have the ability to make a
choice. There is nothing casual about human life, from my view point, I believe we were
fearfully and wonderfully made, we are not just some creature thrown together by ...[text shortened]... he slander, the evil way people are
treated here speaks volumes about how human life is valued.

It is you who mistakenly evokes 'evil' around here.

Originally posted by sonship
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An ape came down out of the tree, lost his hair, stood up on two feet and that's where you came from ?

More rational stuff
You're following the herd of superstition.

You ask silly questions. We don't know how life started, but we do understand how it evolved. Read your bible all you want, but you really should educate yourself about the world if you want to make sense when you speak to others.

Originally posted by apathist
You ask silly questions. We don't know how life started, but we do understand how it evolved. Read your bible all you want, but you really should educate yourself about the world if you want to make sense when you speak to others.

You're the one that needs educating. Evolution is dead. There's no valid science to it. You're behind the times.

Originally posted by FMF
Every human creates his or her own unique narrative and in so doing makes of life what they can, want to or have to.

Along the way, they find various ways of generating purpose, meaning, structure ~ and arriving at a state of self-awareness ~ as they author (and experience) their narrative, and interact with the narratives of others.

I see religion as be ...[text shortened]... proclivity for this philosophical chauvinism is another attribute that defines our human nature.

Agreed.
No one can come through life without their own narrative.
This narrative may involve words like 'truth ' and 'God' , but at the end of the day it's all just the story you write for yourself.
The actual truth lays bare without titles or names. Without form and all-pervasive we are enticed to see things as they actually are, without judgement or discrimination.

Originally posted by josephw
You're the one that needs educating. Evolution is dead. There's no valid science to it. You're behind the times.

The earth is flat and trump is a great president, as well.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Agreed.
No one can come through life without their own narrative.
This narrative may involve words like 'truth ' and 'God' , but at the end of the day it's all just the story you write for yourself.
The actual truth lays bare without titles or names. Without form and all-pervasive we are enticed to see things as they actually are, without judgement or discrimination.

The truth has a name. His name is Jesus. He is the author of life, and all that exists. There are only two things. The creator, and everything else that was created. Pure logic.

You'll see.

Originally posted by apathist
You ask silly questions. We don't know how life started, but we do understand how it evolved. Read your bible all you want, but you really should educate yourself about the world if you want to make sense when you speak to others.

You ask silly questions. We don't know how life started, but we do understand how it evolved. Read your bible all you want, but you really should educate yourself about the world if you want to make sense when you speak to others.

If you don't know how it started then you really don't know how it evolved.
What was the very first instance of natural selection ?

Just use your imagination then. HOW do you think the process of Natural Selection FIRST got its kick start ?

Imagine for me a scenario in which this "selection" mechanism applied for the first time. Theorize it.

Originally posted by sonship
It was pointed out that the ROACH is far more likely to inherit the planet then mankind.
These kinds of atheist arguments were also put out by biologist Stephen Gould who said actually the dinosaurs were far more successful than humanity, having occupied the earth for a far longer period of time.[/b]

Turtles and Crocodiles seem quite successful to me.
If man were to become extinct most of the roaches would die.

Originally posted by sonship
You prefer a magical rock daddy ?
Your great -great- great ... grand daddy was a rock ?
You trace back your origin to a rock ?

You prefer a magical hairless ape daddy?
An ape came down out of the tree, lost his hair, stood up on two feet and that's where you came from ?

More rational stuff ?
You're following the herd of superstition.

After all your bluster you fail to see the connection others have with their own beliefs.
We respect your Christianity , don't belittle our beliefs because you cannot reconcile them with your own.
Seems you only value human life that agrees with you , otherwise yo have utter disdain for anyone who doesn't put Christ on a pedestal like you.

Originally posted by josephw
The truth has a name. His name is Jesus. He is the author of life, and all that exists. There are only two things. The creator, and everything else that was created. Pure logic.

You'll see.

That's a name given by humans.

"Truth has a name. His name is Jesus" . Now you are just calling 'Truth' a person ( "His" ).

"There are only 2 things" . Come on give me a break .
This has got to be one of your most lazy replies ever.

This lazy attitude of you Christians just goes nowhere

Originally posted by josephw
Is that what atheists do? Make up lies to cover their fear?

Talk is cheap. When death comes knocking on your door tell it your great goddess said you're not afraid.

I told you a true story. The longer version: On a solo hike deep in the mountains I found a spot to meditate and contemplate and introspect on Christianity in particular. I built a safe place in my mind and asked for insight and enlightenment. I did my best, and when I opened the circle and looked around, I found what I was looking for.

I learned that nature is real. Notice I didn't learn that any religion is false. The here-and-now is real, and that is what I should deal with. I will take death as it comes and deal with the consequences.

I have no fear of being dead. As a drop of water returns to the sea, so will I return to mother earth. She created me, she nurtured me, and she will embrace me when I die.

Even the Bible says so.

Originally posted by josephw
Is that what atheists do? Make up lies to cover their fear?

Talk is cheap. When death comes knocking on your door tell it your great goddess said you're not afraid.

There oughta be a law like Godwin's Law except applicable to whoever mentions a variant of Pascal's Wager. Doing so is a digression from any rational basis of discussion and a bald attempt to induce fear. So unchristian. Sad. So sad.

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