Originally posted by @sonshipWhat post of mine are you replying to?
What ground do you have to say saints in Houston Texas who come together as [b]"the church in Houston" are not the local church if some amount of organization is involved?
If they receive in principle all whom Jesus has received then they are not a denomination. They are in fact the local expression of the universal church in the city of Houston.
...[text shortened]... outreach evangelists make any one of the churches under his care not churches because of that ?[/b]
You do this from time to time; making a generic reply to me but not quoting the actual text you are referring to. I know why you do this, it's a little tactic that you use so you can create stawman arguments like this one I'm replying to.
Reply to the actual specific thing that I said please.
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Originally posted by @divegeester
You really are full of useless churchy preaching waffle. Here you are trying to make a story by conflating the "body of Christ", i.e. the world-wide spiritually connected network of believers with your love of your own "local church" denomination; the corporate entity itself.
Your "churchy preaching" is you dust thrown up in the air. Useless ad hom along with the insults of diarrhea.
Is this "church preaching" too?
" "What you see write in a scroll and sent it to the SEVEN CHURCHES:
to Ephesus
and to Smyrna
and to Pergamos
and to Thyatira
and to Sardis
and to Philodelphia
and to Laodicea.
And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands ..." (Rev. 1:11-12)
Maybe you never paid any attention to it.
Maybe you never considered its signficance.
Maybe you never grasped what problems of division among Christians this word solves.
So to you maybe it is all "church preaching". That's your dullness. That's your blindness. Why does everyone have to be as dull and blind as you?
Why should a believer not love the local church with which she or he meets?
Christ loved the church.
Why should the believer not love what Christ loved?
06 Jun 18
Originally posted by @sonshipThere are at least 4 questions in this rant by you...You really are full of useless churchy preaching waffle. Here you are trying to make a story by conflating the "body of Christ", i.e. the world-wide spiritually connected network of believers with your love of your own "local church" denomination; the corporate entity itself.
Your "churchy preaching" is you dust thrown up in the air. Use ...[text shortened]... e or he meets?
Christ loved the church.
Why should the believer not love what Christ loved?
Which one do you want me to address and which post of mine specifically are you referring to?
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneWhile I am waiting for what will probably not be forth coming, I ask you point blank if you think you are that one going forth to do the will of God.
Aren't you the one who was just berating DG for "jumping to other issues"?
I won't hold my breath to wait for you to realize that the BELIEVERS were the ones who repented and went forth to do God's will as announced by His servant John the Baptist.
Are you a man doing God's will?
Or are you a man doing what YOU will and refusing to even acknowledge that God IS or has commanded anything to you?
The latter I suspect.
So you cannot be the repentant man who latter changed his mind about what the father commanded. In fact you never acknowledged that you HAVE any "father" in that regard to command anything of you.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterStart here then.
There are at least 4 questions in this rant by you...
Which one do you want me to address and which post of mine [b]specifically are you referring to?[/b]
What is a denomination?
Originally posted by @sonshipAren't you the one who was just berating DG for "jumping to other issues"?
While I am waiting for what will probably not be forth coming, I ask you point blank if you think you are that one going forth to do the will of God.
I won't hold my breath to wait for you to realize that the BELIEVERS were the ones who repented and went forth to do God's will as announced by His servant John the Baptist.
Are you a man doing God's w ...[text shortened]... act you never acknowledged that you HAVE any "father" in that regard to command anything of you.
Following is the issue at hand:
Matthew 21
28“But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go work today in the vineyard.’ 29“And he answered, ‘I will not’; but afterward he regretted it and went. 30“The man came to the second and said the same thing; and he answered, ‘I will, sir’; but he did not go. 31“Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. 32“For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.
Which of the two sons truly has what you call "faith in God"? The one who professes "faith in God" or the one who does it?
I suspect that jaywill finally understands that the son who truly has "faith in God" is the one who does it. Not the one who professes "faith in God" and does not do it.
He just doesn't want to admit it and is now "jumping to other issues" - which he was just berating DG about.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterNo.
No.
You reply to a specific post I have made and stop creating stawmen arguments please.
Show me a DENOMINATION as to what it is.
Use the New Testament to back up your elucidation of what a denomination IS.
If can't do it then shut up and get out of the way and let me do it, using the New Testament itself.
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He can't do it I bet.
Divegeester is only a yelping jackal on the way side.
He's a yelping little dog ever only barking at others who try to present something positive here on the Christian faith and the normal church life.
Denomination = Division, Dive.
A denomination is a division of WHAT ?
Come on you noisy little jackal.
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Originally posted by @philokaliaPhilohalia, I think more constructive discussion would occur here with you. I respect your tone and your insight.
No, I will be generous and say that I believe it is the Catholic, Orthodox, and mainline Protestant churches, and I will include with it any other churches that baptize with the name of the Holy Spirit and seek God in good faith.
I've long ago lost respect for the muddy three - Rajk999, ToO, and Divegeester.
06 Jun 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI'm replying to post, your stawmen and I'm making observations in those replies. If you object to something I've said then call it out specifically in a reply and address it directly.
Show me a DENOMINATION as to what it is.
Use the New Testament to back up your elucidation of what a denomination IS.
If can't do it then shut up and get out of the way and let me do it, using the New Testament itself.
Telling people to "shut up" because you don't like their replies to you is not a good way to get your point across sonship
Originally posted by @sonshipAnd only a few minutes ago you were complaining about insults 🙄
Divegeester is only a yelping jackal on the way side.
He's a yelping little dog ever only barking at others who try to present something positive here on the Christian faith and the normal church life.
Come on you noisy little jackal.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou can suspect that I will take the "FOR ..." in Jesus' explanation to mean - HERE IS THE POINT of the lesson.
Aren't you the one who was just berating DG for "jumping to other issues"?
Following is the issue at hand:
[quote]Matthew 21
28“But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go work today in the vineyard.’ 29“And he answered, ‘I will not’; but afterward he regretted it and went. 30“The man came to the second an ...[text shortened]... 't want to admit it and is now "jumping to other issues" - which he was just berating DG about.
32 “For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.