Ephesians 2:8-9

Originally posted by chaney3
About a month ago, or so, the Pope made a comment that he believes that once Jesus was crucified on the cross.....that ALL humans were saved. Regardless of who or what they believe, ALL are saved. To me, that makes sense.

I am fully aware that this conflicts with the 'Holy Bible'. But, I have maintained an attitude that maybe our Bible is not the 'say ...[text shortened]... this. Maybe we put too much emphasis on the Bible, and NOT on the deed that was done by Jesus.

Being saved and getting into the Kingdom of God are two different things.

All of mankind is saved from the condemnation of sin brought into the world by Adam, but all of mankind would not be in Gods kingdom. To understand who will enter Gods Kingdom, read Matt 25.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Being saved and getting into the Kingdom of God are two different things.

All of mankind is saved from the condemnation of sin brought into the world by Adam, but all of mankind would not be in Gods kingdom. To understand who will enter Gods Kingdom, read Matt 25.

Rak, do you realize how crazy that sounds?? In the post you replied to, I admitted that I would rather trust the crucifixion of Jesus, over comments made in the Bible. It is only in the Bible that supreme demands seem to be put on salvation.....how good a person is.

I don't believe that. It makes more sense that God knew that mankind was doomed, and when Jesus died.....Jesus saved ALL. Regardless of what the Bible may say.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Our nature has been polluted with sin so it will always be tainted with sin. Being born again
means that we get God's Spirit within us and while we are walking in the Spirit of God we
will not sin. This should clear up why we need Jesus as it is only through Him that we can
be born again. Those who think they can just do enough good works will still bein ...[text shortened]... ighteousness. So what we are doing is get cleaned by God to walk with
Him through Jesus Christ.

I think the Bible is very clear that even those who are born again and know Christ and are given HS gifts etc etc, even those can and will sin and they will pay for it. The Bible is clear. Maybe it is time to stop the twisting

Originally posted by chaney3
Rak, do you realize how crazy that sounds?? In the post you replied to, I admitted that I would rather trust the crucifixion of Jesus, over comments made in the Bible. It is only in the Bible that supreme demands seem to be put on salvation.....how good a person is.

I don't believe that. It makes more sense that God knew that mankind was doomed, and when Jesus died.....Jesus saved ALL. Regardless of what the Bible may say.

OK .. I was mistaken. I discuss Bible doctrine with those who believe that the Bible is Gods word. If you do not believe in the Bible then there is nothing to discuss. My apologies for replying to you.

Originally posted by chaney3
Why do you suppose then, that Rak is determined to advise on good works? What is it that I am missing?? Regarding the sin issue: No matter how hard we try, we will always sin. Aside from Jesus, no human can be sin-free. So, we will always fall short.

A curious note: In the story of the woman who was going to be stoned, Jesus said that 'He who is w ...[text shortened]... sin NO more". Why would He say that? Was He saying that it could be possible to 'sin no more'?

This account is in John 8:3-11.
The woman was caught in adultery.
That was her sin.
Jesus saying "sin no more" was in referrence to that particular sin.

If we have an area that we sin in i.e. lying, murder, etc. we can repent and turn away from that particular sin we can sin no more. It does not mean we become totally sinless. We are imperfect so we still sin in other areas.

Originally posted by Rajk999
OK .. I was mistaken. I discuss Bible doctrine with those who believe that the Bible is Gods word. If you do not believe in the Bible then there is nothing to discuss. My apologies for replying to you.

Rak, the Bible is a book that is widely NOT agreeable to most people who read it. Can you explain why Bible scholars, who know the Bible well, are atheists?? It could be that SO many discrepancies and various interpretations exist that it seems almost impossible to know what is actually true or not.

When it comes to the Bible, I really have NO idea what to believe, and what NOT to believe. If you are a person who takes every single word as truth, then fine. But, many people do not hold the same opinion.

Example: God states in the Bible that He cares about every single human, and even knows how many hairs are on their head. Yet......a dead baby washed up on shore about a week ago from the immigration problem, and I can NOT reconcile the words of the Bible to this baby. Something is not right!!!!! God makes many promises in the Bible, and in our world, it seems that none of these promises are true.....AT ALL.

Originally posted by chaney3
Rak, the Bible is a book that is widely NOT agreeable to most people who read it. Can you explain why Bible scholars, who know the Bible well, are atheists?? It could be that SO many discrepancies and various interpretations exist that it seems almost impossible to know what is actually true or not.

When it comes to the Bible, I really have NO idea wh ...[text shortened]... omises in the Bible, and in our world, it seems that none of these promises are true.....AT ALL.

We have two completely different philosophies so there is no common ground to discuss anything.. sorry.

Originally posted by Rajk999
We have two completely different philosophies so there is no common ground to discuss anything.. sorry.

The problem is that when 'real life' contradicts the Bible.....nobody wants to discuss it. And, common ground is gone. If God really cared about humans, then why so much death?? So much misery??

I know that we will never tangle again, but......if God really cared about us, then why the Holocaust????? Did God NOT care about millions of Jews????

My point: Maybe what is written in our Bible is not completely ALL true. Some of it may be true....but, a person who lives and dies with each word......is probably very wrong.

Did Jonah live in a whale's stomach for 3 days??? Please.

Originally posted by chaney3
God states in the Bible that He cares about every single human, and even knows how many hairs are on their head. Yet......a dead baby washed up on shore about a week ago from the immigration problem, and I can NOT reconcile the words of the Bible to this baby. Something is not right!!!!! God makes many promises in the Bible, and in our world, it seems that none of these promises are true.....AT ALL.

As I have pointed out to you before, Christians do not have an ideology in which their God figure is supposed to intervene when "a dead baby [is] washed up on a shore". Therefore the suggestion that the fate of such people somehow 'proves' that Christian ideology has got its notion of "God" wrong is simply off target.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I think the Bible is very clear that even those who are born again and know Christ and are given HS gifts etc etc, even those can and will sin and they will pay for it. The Bible is clear. Maybe it is time to stop the twisting

If you actually read what I wrote you'd seen I covered that.

Originally posted by roigam
This account is in John 8:3-11.
The woman was caught in adultery.
That was her sin.
Jesus saying "sin no more" was in referrence to that particular sin.

If we have an area that we sin in i.e. lying, murder, etc. we can repent and turn away from that particular sin we can sin no more. It does not mean we become totally sinless. We are imperfect so we still sin in other areas.

We agree on something 🙂

Originally posted by chaney3

Rak, the Bible is a book that is widely NOT agreeable to most people who read it. Can you explain why Bible scholars, who know the Bible well, are atheists??

It is because the Bible is not like any other book that you can just approach with a clear and logical mind. Even a very smart mind with no openness of the heart and inward touching of the Spirit of God, coming to the Bible, can not obtain any benefit from it.

The Holy Bible must be approached with in addition to a sound mind, an exercised spirit of prayer and an opened heart with a willingness to receive God Himself.

"The Bible contains many heavenly visions. Therefore, whenever we come to the Bible, we should not come to it as we would come to any other book. We can approach any other book merely with our mentality, our knowledge, and our understanding; as long as we know the words and concepts found in the book, we can understand it. However, the Bible is absolutely different. Regardless of the level of learning we have attained and regardless of how educated we are in biblical languages, these things alone do not enable us to understand God's Word in an intrinsic way. In order to understand the Bible, we need vision and growth in the divine life."

[From The Collected Works of Witness Lee, Volume I, 1966, pg.67. Living Stream Ministry ]

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Meaning?

I'm here to discuss interesting topics, not to endure needless name calling. Yes, the initials of my chosen username spell out 'goad' but this is obviously coincidental. Twice now you implied (or stated directly) that this is an indication that i am a troll. (Or more specifically a rather stupid troll who chose a username to spell out a troll like word, which of course is a nonsense). Kindly accept that.

And there was no malicious intent in 'editing' your message in my previous reply. I merely copied the small section i was responding to. I in no way changed your text or sought to take it out of context. In regards to Chaney, i did not confuse what he had written (as he has shown himself in his subsequent posts) and could not have given a more exact response than the one i gave. Please re-visit it.

Originally posted by chaney3
We are saved by grace. Not by works, lest a man should boast.

I have been reading in various threads about (Rak) claiming that a Christian should be doing works for salvation.

And KellyJay claiming that grace (through Jesus) is what brings salvation.

According to these verses...it would seem that works will accomplish nothing.

As a believer in J ...[text shortened]... will always fall short it seems, regarding the sin issue, because only Jesus can be 'sin-free'.

I believe you are exactly right. True Christianity is the only religion I know that does not require you to do the work, because the saving work is all done by Christ and we reap the benefits by believing and having faith in Him as the Savior.

HalleluYaH !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No its not possible, there is a distinction though between involuntarily sins, that is sin that occurs due to human imperfection and deliberate sin, that is taking a course of action that you know to be wrong in a calculated manner. Thus the admonition of Jesus to sin no more by reason must have been relative.

Doesn't the Holy Bible tell us that all things are possible with God? Didn't God confuse the tongues of the people into many languages because otherwise every evil thing would be possible to them?