Ephesians 2:8-9

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe you are exactly right. True Christianity is the only religion I know that does not require you to do the work, because the saving work is all done by Christ and we reap the benefits by believing and having faith in Him as the Savior.

HalleluYaH !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Yes, but, what you miss with this notion is that the Holy Spirit moves us to care for those who are on the lowest rungs of society, people who would be exactly the same as you or I, if it weren't for some personal situation that has dropped them those crucial few rungs. We are to love our neighbor, even as we love ourselves. We treat ourselves well, so why not those who are less fortunate? True the "work" that should be done is not 'required' for our salvation, but it is part and parcel of our Christian walk. Every time we say "No, I'm too tired today", or "No, I don't want to miss my TV show", regarding helping others, we lessen ourselves.

If you've been paying attention, this has been the message of Pope Francis this week as he speaks to various groups of Americans. Your party has done you a disservice if, because of their philosophy, you now believe it is useless to help the homeless "because they'll only get drunk with the money I give them", or that "those mexican bastards need to go back to their own country and stop taking our resources". This kind of thinking is directly against what Christ commanded us to do -- love our neighbors as we love ourselves. If you cannot be moved to do this by reading the Bible, then perhaps you need to pray some more. If the Holy Spirit moves in you, it urges you to help others. While you are correct that this is not strictly required for salvation, surely you will be judged according to how well you have allowed the Holy Spirit to move through you.

Your treatment of those less fortunate is a great testimony to your belief in God, for better or for worse.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Yes, but, what you miss with this notion is that the Holy Spirit moves us to care for those who are on the lowest rungs of society, people who would be exactly the same as you or I, if it weren't for some personal situation that has dropped them those crucial few rungs. We are to [b]love our neighbor, even as we love ourselves. We treat ourselves well ...[text shortened]... ent of those less fortunate is a great testimony to your belief in God, for better or for worse.[/b]

Don't be deceived by the Pope. I thought you believed the Pope was the anti-Christ or something. What happened to all that?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You really do think apart from Jesus that we can be righteous? That there are those among
us who are sinless?

You repeatedly sound as if you know who is with Jesus and who is not with Jesus. How do you know. I sure dont Neither would I know who is sinless and who is sinful. These are the things Christ will know and Christ will judge people.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You repeatedly sound as if you know who is with Jesus and who is not with Jesus. How do you know. I sure dont Neither would I know who is sinless and who is sinful. These are the things Christ will know and Christ will judge people.

He was asking questions, not making statements. See the question marks?

Originally posted by chaney3
We are saved by grace. Not by works, lest a man should boast.

I have been reading in various threads about (Rak) claiming that a Christian should be doing works for salvation.

And KellyJay claiming that grace (through Jesus) is what brings salvation.

According to these verses...it would seem that works will accomplish nothing.

As a believer in J ...[text shortened]... will always fall short it seems, regarding the sin issue, because only Jesus can be 'sin-free'.

This is the greatest misunderstanding the Christians have endorsed.

That I shall not endeavour to improve myself because I am waiting for the Grace of God to lift me up to heaven.

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Don't be deceived by the Pope. I thought you believed the Pope was the anti-Christ or something. What happened to all that?

I grew up.

Now what about what I actually said? It has nothing to do with the Pope.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You repeatedly sound as if you know who is with Jesus and who is not with Jesus. How do you know. I sure dont Neither would I know who is sinless and who is sinful. These are the things Christ will know and Christ will judge people.

You act like you think you know. Why else would you give Christians here the "full court press" over it?

Originally posted by Dasa
This is the greatest misunderstanding the Christians have endorsed.

That I shall not endeavour to improve myself because I am waiting for the Grace of God to lift me up to heaven.

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting.

Dasa the comedian. Except for the, you know, not-funny part.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Yes, but, what you miss with this notion is that the Holy Spirit moves us to care for those who are on the lowest rungs of society, people who would be exactly the same as you or I, if it weren't for some personal situation that has dropped them those crucial few rungs. We are to [b]love our neighbor, even as we love ourselves. We treat ourselves well ...[text shortened]... ent of those less fortunate is a great testimony to your belief in God, for better or for worse.[/b]

You cannot love your neighbour if they are a Muslim and they want to Quote........... ( "strike terror in their hearts and slay them where you find them" ........end Quote: (from the Quran).

Who is them?

Them ........is you and me.

We can only love our neighbours, if everyone is on the same page and is following and accepting true knowledge found in true religion.

The......Meat eating and animal slaughtering religions of this world cannot give you true knowledge but simply falsehoods.

The cruel meat eating and animal slaughtering religion called the Roman Catholic Church is endorsed by the Pope.

This is the futile and absurd position of false religion in this age of Kali.

Originally posted by Dasa
You cannot love your neighbour if they are a Muslim and they want to Quote........... ( strike terror in their hearts and slay them where you find them) ........end Quote from the Quran.

Who is them?

Them ........is you and me.

We can only love our neighbours, if everyone is on the same page and is following and accepting true knowledge found in true ...[text shortened]... ed by the Pope.

This is the futile and absurd position of false religion in this age of Kali.

And you have the 'huevos' to claim that your religion is the only "true" religion.

Apparently not.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b] In regards to Chaney, i did not confuse what he had written (as he has shown himself in his subsequent posts) and could not have given a more exact response than the one i gave.
1) Chaney framed his question about whether or not it is possible for a human to not sin within the context of Jesus telling the woman to 'go and sin no more'. Clearly t ...[text shortened]... . Granted your attempts aren't as oafish, but then RC isn't generally as underhanded as you are.[/b]

Again, too much in your message to respond to fully, but have copied your entire post this time to dodge charges of editing. 🙂

My pov was that humans were incapable of living without sin. (Past, present and future). This is what i conveyed in this thread, when i stated '....not telling her to lead a sinless life, which of course is impossible for a human being.' - I made not distinction between past and future, as i do not believe there is one on the subject on mans propensity to sin.

I do not believe you were confused in asking an atheist questions about the bible, as clearly i had already shown a willingness to discuss the topic. Your repeated question though as to whether 'i' thought Paul's writing was equal to what Jesus had to say was a rather odd one to put to an atheist. As a non-believer in the divine authority of the bible, i would have thought it self evident that i gave no gravitas to the writings or sayings of either. 'Obviously' a Christian would give more gravitas to what Jesus had to say, but then you were not asking a Christian.

Please do not can me a troll. Not only is it incorrect it is also impolite and unnecessary. (And perhaps better fits your analogy of the antics of a 10 year old). I am willing to engage you on a civil level but have no interest in mutual mud slinging. If that's all you have to offer, please do not respond to this message.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You repeatedly sound as if you know who is with Jesus and who is not with Jesus. How do you know. I sure dont Neither would I know who is sinless and who is sinful. These are the things Christ will know and Christ will judge people.

I do know two things, Jesus said he was here to save sinners. The righteous, well since
all are sinners there are none.

Originally posted by Suzianne
And you have the 'huevos' to claim that your religion is the only "true" religion.

Apparently not.

Ask yourself a question..........

If there is such a thing as true religion and false religion, would the true religion be the one that respects the rights of animals to protect them from cruel exploitive conditions, or would true religion cage and force feed and slaughter animals?

Islam and Judaism and Christianity all allow their followers to place animals in cruel conditions and slaughter them.

So ...........would you say Islam and Judaism and Christianity are true religions or false religions.

Originally posted by Dasa
Ask yourself a question..........

If there is such a thing as true religion and false religion, would the true religion be the one that respects the rights of animals to protect them from cruel exploitive conditions, or would true religion cage and force feed and slaughter animals?

Islam and Judaism and Christianity all allow their followers to place anim ...[text shortened]... ........would you say Islam and Judaism and Christianity are true religions or false religions.

Why would a religion be true protecting creatures that rip themselves apart and eating one
another? Why would that be the measuring stick?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Yes, but, what you miss with this notion is that the Holy Spirit moves us to care for those who are on the lowest rungs of society, people who would be exactly the same as you or I, if it weren't for some personal situation that has dropped them those crucial few rungs. We are to [b]love our neighbor, even as we love ourselves. We treat ourselves well ...[text shortened]... ent of those less fortunate is a great testimony to your belief in God, for better or for worse.[/b]

Well said Suzianne, something even I could stand to do better at. Thank you.