03 Apr 12
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou have the religious person's typical ability to simply accept contradictory claims. The evidence is right in front of you, but of course you're going to deny it because you're a big Jesus fanboy. You're as dogmatic as the evangelical Christians you rail against.
No, not in good faith.
Since you haven't presented any evidence that Jesus was lying, I'll assume that you have none. All you have is conjecture on your part. Simply insisting that "it's possible that [Jesus] lied" does not constitute evidence.
Hard to think of a situation where one couldn't claim that "it's possible" that a second party was lying. ible" that the person was lying.
Remakable. RC, KM, et al., have nothing on you.
"Success in debate does not depend on persuading your opponent." -bbarr
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03 Apr 12
Originally posted by CalJustChristians have accepted Christ. They are therefore saved and they are saved eternally and God cannot take away their salvation. Why should they not enjoy all the worldly and fleshly pleasures they possibly can and live life to the fullest while they are here on earth?
Permit me to say something at the tail-end of this discussion....
Some time ago, I read a book on Personnel Management, written by a US professor whose name now escapes me. He made some very interesting, if disturbing, claims.
Apparently, as a part of a research project, they did a survey (two surveys, actually) in what he called "a typically mid-weste ...[text shortened]... birth
2 His death as a common criminal
3 His embarrassing church
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03 Apr 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf you'd bothered to read the thread, you'd realize that SG is in full agreement that Jesus contradicted the OT.
whats up think of one, did the scriptures soundly refute your dogma, AGAIN! ohhh
there there, it will be alright in the morning! Its all just a bad dream.
03 Apr 12
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Originally posted by SwissGambitEvidently you've edited in an additional comment.
You have the religious person's typical ability to simply accept contradictory claims. The evidence is right in front of you, but of course you're going to deny it because you're a big Jesus fanboy. You're as dogmatic as the evangelical Christians you rail against.
"Success in debate does not depend on persuading your opponent." -bbarr
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I see you've propped up yet another claim using an unsubstantiated claim and have thrown in some assumptions to boot.
If nothing else, you're consistent.
03 Apr 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI like Robbie. I don't always agree with him, but he's got something that's sorely lacking here - a sense of humor.
How RC and RJHinds-like.
I don't usually agree with RJHinds, and I know he's kind of a pariah here, but I have no personal problem with him. He makes some pretty bold claims, but at least he listens to my responses.
04 Apr 12
Originally posted by Rajk999Why should they not enjoy all the worldly and fleshly pleasures they possibly can and live life to the fullest while they are here on earth?
Christians have accepted Christ. They are therefore saved and they are saved eternally and God cannot take away their salvation. Why should they not enjoy all the worldly and fleshly pleasures they possibly can and live life to the fullest while they are here on earth?
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Because in receiving salvation they become grateful and loving. The fact that some people use God's grace as an excuse to live in sin does not mean God's grace is not sufficient or wrong. Jesus clearly taught that we should love God with all our hearts. And in loving God we want to please Him and live as He wants us to because He has saved us. But even more than this.... once we are saved the Holy Spirit teaches us how to live.
We begin to realize that these so called "pleasures" are not so fulfilling as we once thought and that given the choice of being filled with the Spirit or filled with wine we will choose the Spirit.
The doctrine of grace is as sound as it ever was - just because men abuse it does not make it wrong. Do you understand the concept of throwing out the baby with the bath water? Your protests are emotional and not spiritual. You have a personal aversion to the idea of grace because it offends your sense of justice , entitlement and judgement. You have a good understanding of God's holiness and concern for good works , but you fail to appreciate His love and grace.
04 Apr 12
Originally posted by knightmeisterYou are a total dunce KM. Its time you shut up and go have your head examined.
..Because in receiving salvation ...
You do not know who has received salvation.
Why dont you admit that.
Only God knows.
So the rest of your post which is based on that false statement is also nonsense.
04 Apr 12
Originally posted by knightmeisterAmen. HalleluYah !!! 😏
Why should they not enjoy all the worldly and fleshly pleasures they possibly can and live life to the fullest while they are here on earth?
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Because in receiving salvation they become grateful and loving. The fact that some people use God's grace as an excuse to live in sin does not mean God's gr ...[text shortened]... God's holiness and concern for good works , but you fail to appreciate His love and grace.