07 May 18
-Removed-He gives Christians the shortest shrift possible. He maintains that WE act as though we condone sinning (the fore-mentioned "license to sin" ), but it is only a "thing" in his own head. NO Christians here condone sinning. It is the one thing that Christians world-wide struggle against every single day. This is not even debatable. The problem is that to say there is no "license to sin" is to abandon this bogus idea that Christians somehow condone sinning, which is a favorite argument of his, even as ridiculous as it is.
Warning of this "thing" in his own head doesn't mean that "thing" exists. I am saying there is NO "license to sin" because there is no "free lunch" in ANY Christian doctrine. He claims there is in order to debase it, because he disagrees with it. You should be familiar with this forum strategy.
07 May 18
-Removed-Cool.. you are saying the right things. I dont think our doctrine is as far apart as you think. Eternal security is for sheep of Christ... who enjoy that assurance without fear. If they go astray Jesus brings them back.
The claim that a man confesses with his mouth and believes in his heart is all ... then eternal life is an incomplete doctrine and a perversion of the doctrine of the apostles.... who preached loads more about eternal life.
Originally posted by @rajk999Your doctrine changes on nearly a daily basis.
I never doubted that eternal salvation exists .. it is a biblical concept and some have it.
Im denying that all who profess faith have it. That is unbiblical.
More time reading the Bible and praying for wisdom and less time spouting off is the right posting prescription for you, amigo.
07 May 18
-Removed-Believing with the heart (Rom 10:9) = following the commandments.
So the Christian confesses faith in Christ and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit begins a life changing process culminating in perfection like Christ.
Not all succeed. And it is the doctrine that promotes the idea that evil people will still enter the kingdom of God I find to be contrary to the bible.
Originally posted by @rajk999Well at least you should know that without faith it is impossible to please God. That's where your atheists can be saved by works doctrine goes up in smoke.
A Christian must aim for that perfection to be like Christ. Success is pleasing God. I cannot say exactly when along that journey God is pleased.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThe greatest is love and charity... not faith. God is more pleased with an atheist who shows love than a Christian who does not. Read 1 Corinthians 12 and 13. Read Romans 2 for a better understanding of the fate of Gentiles who live according to their conscience.
Well at least you should know that without faith it is impossible to please God. That's where your atheists can be saved by works doctrine goes up in smoke.
Read all the writings of the apostles who warn Christians who live according to the flesh. Contrary to your doctrine they face a fate worse than if they did not know Christ at all.
Rajk999 -
The greatest is love and charity... not faith.
The verse says this:
" Now there abide faith, hope, love, these three, and the greatest of these is love. " (1 Cor. 13:13)
You are arbitrarily changing the Scripture towards what you want to say.
It did not say the greatest is love and charity. It said "these three" and "the greatest of these is love."
Furthermore chapter 13 is not about the requirements of salvation but the function and service of believers in the church life.
Originally posted by @sonship
Rajk999 -The greatest is love and charity... not faith.
The verse says this:
[b]" Now there abide faith, hope, love, these three, and the greatest of these is love. " (1 Cor. 13:13)
You are arbitrarily changing the Scripture towards what you want to say.
It did not say the greatest is love and charity. I ...[text shortened]... bout the requirements of salvation but the function and service of believers in the church life.[/b]Faith is nothing.
Love charity good works is what is required for eternal life in the kingdom of God.
Blessed are those who follow Christ and do his commandments...