Faith vs. Hope

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Influence outcomes by terminating thoughts.

I guess karma gets processed in a similar way that it does in this life,using similar archetypes to guide us through the main lessons of the universe.

Yes! A certain level of mind is always with “you” and still is so subtle it’s hard to become aware of it. In meditation this level of mind is manifested as “clear light”, “light”, “wind”, flowing stream” etc, and when the meditator becomes this luminosity s/he is elevated to a level where all phenomena are unmanifested and thus all remain above characteristics and distinctions. No dualism there -at this level the meditator followed the stream all the way up, All return to the One;

Loosing awareness of the essence and of the being of the clear light brings up various projections of mind that they all are the result of a specific karmic bond -you are the bond, and the bond is strong. So this loss of awareness at that level is forcing once more the One to be entangled with these mind-only projections and thus to become a single new specific manifestation out of the All. This projection of cause-effect (karma) causes the transfer of the One into a specific realm of existence.
This exact transfer out of this specific projection of karma is the agent that causes one’s rebirth;


By the way, would you ever trust your kid to somebody high on “magic mushrooms” to drive it home tonight? No drugs!
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Originally posted by black beetle
Yes! A certain level of mind is always with “you” and still is so subtle it’s hard to become aware of it. In meditation this level of mind is manifested as “clear light”, “light”, “wind”, flowing stream” etc, and when the meditator becomes this luminosity s/he is elevated to a level where all phenomena are unmanifested and thus all remain above characte ...[text shortened]... ver trust your kid to somebody high on “magic mushrooms” to drive it home tonight? No drugs!
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Points taken🙂
I'll have to contemplate some stuff before I answer furthur-that is if I answer at all.
Cheers

Originally posted by karoly aczel
I prefer Black Beetles interpretation of those words. I agree with his sentiments, and found it interesting that you chose not to comment on them.

I advocate "now-thinking". thinking in the now. seeing all of time as one big long now.
Yes , my vessil was also spawned in a linear framework for orientation. But I've come to discover part of me that i ...[text shortened]... ust around the corner.
If you want to call it hope thats fine with me. I call it faith.

you didn't explain how afterlife is linear or nonlinear

Yes , my vessil was also spawned in a linear framework for orientation. But I've come to discover part of me that is not affected by time.
I've started to explore that part of myself and see no other things in this life to keep me interested except this...fascination and awe of the floating worlds.
i don't follow. part of you is unaffected by time? you know this for a fact? what system of reference do you have? with what do you compare it? timeless how? many questioons. explore what exactly? floating worlds, is that a philosophy term or a personal construction?


What about near-death experiences? Where someone has "crossed over" for a brief period , only to be retrieved from the land of the dead.
Taking magic mushrooms can also simulate death experiences.

I believe there are some people alive today who can see what happens to you when you die.
by this argument, i can say that dreaming is also us moving from the land of the living to the land of the dead. the dead are trying to communicate.
near death experiences are exactly that: near death. brain panicking at a perceived threat and firing up impulses: of what happens to find in someones subconscious. nothing more.
mushrooms simulate death experiences? dude, i am starting to lose respect for you. you do have some scientific data backing this up, right?

you believe there are some people who can see what happens when you die, i believe in god and jesus, who am i to judge. though i never understood atheists that believe astrology or paranormal phenomenons, i am too tired to be concerned about them.

The physical constraints of living within a third dimensional vessil while knowing that something far greater is available to us just around the corner.
hoping. having faith. believing. not knowing.
i already told you my view on faith v hope. faith is when you strongly believe in something. hope is when you think its a slim chance but you would like something to happen anyway. but how can you evaluate chances of something you know so little (practically nothing) about? who is to say that afterlife is almost certain or highly improbable?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
you didn't explain how afterlife is linear or nonlinear

[b]Yes , my vessil was also spawned in a linear framework for orientation. But I've come to discover part of me that is not affected by time.
I've started to explore that part of myself and see no other things in this life to keep me interested except this...fascination and awe of the floating wor cally nothing) about? who is to say that afterlife is almost certain or highly improbable?

Yes so many questions.
So many wild speculations on my part.

I'm not real good at doing scientific proofs these days. I used to concern myself with such things when I was younger. Now I don't have the headspace for "intellectual dribblings". I'm primarily concerned with exploring this greater part of myself, of finding the correct approach to fullfil my purose on this planet.

I am truly sorry if my words dont come out right.
Example: I come off sounding egotistical with an "easy" approach to spiritual matters. Nothing could be furthur from the truth. There is nothing easy about my approach to spirituality and I think you need to risk a great deal to perhaps maybe "gain" something.

With me , finding my place in the world always revolves around my identity.

..and "afterlife" is a linear concept, not a linear reality;

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
you didn't explain how afterlife is linear or nonlinear

[b]Yes , my vessil was also spawned in a linear framework for orientation. But I've come to discover part of me that is not affected by time.
I've started to explore that part of myself and see no other things in this life to keep me interested except this...fascination and awe of the floating wor ...[text shortened]... cally nothing) about? who is to say that afterlife is almost certain or highly improbable?

If you are serious with these questions , I would be happy to try to put some effort into answering them more adequatley. But you have to break it down to just one or two questions per post. Ok?🙂

Originally posted by karoly aczel
If you are serious with these questions , I would be happy to try to put some effort into answering them more adequatley. But you have to break it down to just one or two questions per post. Ok?🙂

well i did ask why afterlife is a linear concept but you refused to answer

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
well i did ask why afterlife is a linear concept but you refused to answer

The way into " heaven" is through "now" time. Similarly the 'afterlife' is nothing but the life of the Moment. The life of "Now".
Basically what I'm trying to say is look forward to nothing. Enjoy the "big long now" because that is the way to expand your mind and get it ready for the next level.

I'm not offering new concepts to replace old ones. I'm offering techniques and takes on human psycology that SOME have found beneficial in their spiritual lives.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
well i did ask why afterlife is a linear concept but you refused to answer

"This" moment, "the next" moment -there is no such a thing as "this moment" and "that moment" somewhere out of your own mind; this dualism is a product of your mind.
"This life", "that life" -there is no such a thing as "this life" and "afterlife" somewhere out of your own mind: this dualism is a product of your mind.
"This wave", "that wave" -you see the waves separated from the ocean. But no ocean, no waves. No waves -the ocean is still there. Waves -the ocean is still there.

You see many waves instead of a single ocean and you cannot see the surface of the ocean without ripples because your mind is like an eternal Katrina and it causes so many waves that you are unable even to think about the possibility of the existence of a single ocean; I see a "single ocean" instead of "many waves" and at the same time I see many waves, no waves, a single wave and many, both and neither on the surface of the ocean. The waves pass, the ocean is still there. The waves pass not, the ocean is still there.

I see Life as a wave, I see Death as a wave.
Nothing Holy😵

Originally posted by black beetle
"This" moment, "the next" moment -there is no such a thing as "this moment" and "that moment" somewhere out of your own mind; this dualism is a product of your mind.
"This life", "that life" -there is no such a thing as "this life" and "afterlife" somewhere out of your own mind: this dualism is a product of your mind.
"This wave", "that wave" -you see ...[text shortened]... l there.

I see Life as a wave, I see Death as a wave.
Nothing Holy😵

"this dualism is a product of your mind"

or not.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
The way into " heaven" is through "now" time. Similarly the 'afterlife' is nothing but the life of the Moment. The life of "Now".
Basically what I'm trying to say is look forward to nothing. Enjoy the "big long now" because that is the way to expand your mind and get it ready for the next level.

I'm not offering new concepts to replace old ones. I ...[text shortened]... takes on human psycology that SOME have found beneficial in their spiritual lives.

the long now as you call it is an illusion. you never live solely in the present. you plan for the future, you use information from the past. you know what organisms live solely in the moment? inferior ones. bugs, moluscs, bacterias. they see food, they go towards the food they eat food, they crap they reproduce and they die.


is that what you want?

humans live for the future. humans learn from the past(or should). humans enjoy the moment. living in the present is no way to expand your mind.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"this dualism is a product of your mind"

or not.

Of course it is. Even "your self" is merely a product of your mind and it lacks of inherent being: I bet you are unable even to define "your self"
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Originally posted by black beetle
Of course it is. Even "your self" is merely a product of your mind and it lacks of inherent being: I bet you are unable even to define "your self"
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sure i can. i am the product of 2 gamma ray bursts going through an antimatter gas cloud. this is as proven as your "This" moment, "the next" moment -there is no such a thing as "this moment" and "that moment" somewhere out of your own mind; this dualism is a product of your mind.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
sure i can. i am the product of 2 gamma ray bursts going through an antimatter gas cloud. this is as proven as your "This" moment, "the next" moment -there is no such a thing as "this moment" and "that moment" somewhere out of your own mind; this dualism is a product of your mind.

Then you are confused regarding spacetime, whose basic elements are “events”, thus spacetime points -and therefore each event is just a unique position at a unique time. This is the reason why a spacetime is considered the union of all events in the same way that a line is the union of all of its points.

Now replace each “event” with each “wave” and see on your own what you get😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Then you are confused regarding spacetime, whose basic elements are “events”, thus spacetime points -and therefore each event is just a unique position at a unique time. This is the reason why a spacetime is considered the union of all events in the same way that a line is the union of all of its points.

Now replace each “event” with each “wave” and see on your own what you get😵

and from this results that "this dualism is a product of your mind."?

i don't follow

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
and from this results that "this dualism is a product of your mind."?

i don't follow

Each event is understood and defined by you as “event” solely thanks to your own measurement/ perception. Before your measurement there is no such a thing as an observed by you “event” but merely a spacetime continuum (which in turn it has no inherent being too because it is merely an invention of your own mind, created by you for your convenience), and therefore the event cannot be confirmed as such prior to your measurement. Your mind is the sole agent that conducts this dualist separation (“this time”, “that time&rdquo😉, and your happening to register an “event” at a specific point within your “empty” (lacking of inherent being) spacetime is the sole agent that makes you able to register it as such
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